EVE General Discussion

Mags,

You can ignore the content of the comments make a lot of cute derisive comments that deflect the core concept of my argument.

That argument is not all games are the same and Eve is unique in that it allows someone to invest the only real world currency (their time) to build something that persists and as a result has real value. That the act of someone destroying that "thing" just for the fun of it even though it is virtual is no different to the victim as taking something out of the victims RL that cost them the same RL currency (their time).

That you don't see how the world we live in is blurring what is "virtual" and is "real" means you are unaware of your surroundings or living in a cave.

Game or RL is exact;y the same in terms of time spent and the value there of. You can go off and say its a game but that just shows you lack of understanding. All you have is your time. If I waste your time I am harming you in a way that you can never recover from. Time can not be replaced.

You aren't smart enough I guess to understand the nature of the human experience and how the the time we have is all that matters in the end. Maybe you need to get older or have a brush with your morality. I hope you do as it may give the perspective that more aware folks have developed.

Once you understand the value of the time we have left your life can improve dramatically,

Issler

EvE is fun... if you're an online sociopath. This game is great if you're after Schadenfreude.

But it's really subpar in the sense that it presents itself as a game, while it's not really at all. It's not either an online app where you release pent-up aggression with like-minded people, like HoN is. Upon logging in HoN you know every other player is a mouth-foaming hambeast that's gonna rage endlessly on voice comms.
EvE is an online social platform where not everybody is after Schadenfreude, not everybody logs on fully consenting to be scammed, ganked, abused, but they know those things happen and make the game exciting. Those people also naively believe there are tools to either prevent that or enact revenge. While preventing those things is possible, using a secondary account to scout gate camps, and even multiple trials (multiple boxes) to scout around for gank squads -notice how it's not cumbersome at all!-, enacting revenge on gankers is nigh impossible since they also use multiple accounts, will scout you, and will stay docked or use positive sec status alts to run missions while you camp them.

The people who want to play EvE as a game are usually ridiculed for being all kind of stupid, and expect their fellow gamers to have some sort of common decency, i.e. play the game to have fun.
A fairly large part of the playerbase doesn't. The most lazy of them just camp gates and chat on ts or play other games, waiting for the activation signal. They don't play EvE, for them it's not an app that brings gaming fun. It's only an app they use to reap rl grief from people they don't even know -rl grief because you lose several hours' worth of effort when getting ganked, and it's not even a fight-. And then they mock those people (who actually play EvE as a game): "Don't be mad bro, it's only a gaem!"

While "carebears" and decent players see in-game stuff as an end in itself, therefore being in synch with the roleplaying part in MMORPG (in that case, pretend you're a space pilot out to amass riches), most angrrry EvE players don't give a single thought about their stuff, which is just a means to an end: reap Schadenfreude, real life rage from their fellow gamer. Therefore the sarcasm: "internet spaceships".

This game is terrible because of said double standards. Either you're an online sociopath and it's a great way to get your kicks but you're not playing it at all, or you're a gamer and then you have to triple-check everything and are forced to use alts to offset mechanics that actually coddle ganking and game-accepted griefing.

The fact that you resort to personal insults, tells me all I need to know about you and any argument you may have.

Different races have different cultures, there will be some discrepancies, difficult to say who's right and who's wrong is the case you've chosen.


The rulings on your example. are there to protect the teenager. In the UK they probably worry if the young person is mentally old (prepared) enough rather than physically.

Does it bother anyone else that so many people want to be [insert expletive] ?

In your example, it not a case of being bred into us it's a case of observation over the years and then a group deciding where they should fix the age at, there has to be an age specified otherwise you can't use laws to protect them. In countries that have a high infant death rate the age is likely to be a bit less.



3 main groups where morals are concerned

Those that place a high value on them.

Those that place a high value on them only when it suits them (largest group and the group Socrates was moaning about).

Those that place little value on them in pursuit of their own interests.


Morals are taught to people at an early age and reinforced over the years, but I would not say they're being bred into us. Again it's the value you place on the moral which determines if you will embrace it or not.

People who can't make a distinction between a game and real life are idiots who are a danger to themselves.

And in that one sentence is where I think the breakdown occurs. You, ACY, are actually playing in a 'sandbox'.....although, you maybe haven't realized it yet that the 'sandbox' aspect of EvE is gone. Don't take that as a criticism. I think you're playing the game "the right way"; as it was intended.

I think there are many players now who completely ignore the 'sandbox' aspect. Ironically, many of them justify actions with the "it's a sandbox" ploy.

The ability to buy GTCs, convert them to PLEX, then sell the PLEX on the market in order to fill a wallet totally shatters any semblance of 'sandbox'. No mining, missioning, manufacturing, etc. needed in order to continue buying "stuff".

If you have enough income (and I get the sense that EvE players generally have some discretionary funds) you can start a character, buy the skill books, do nothing but train skills, and through the PLEX mechanism, never indulge in any of the 'sandbox' aspects of the game'. Ever.

When it became easy to refill a wallet through "out of game" means.....the sandbox went out the window.

Wow... I can't believe you wrote that. Perhaps re-read what you post next time?

I'm suggesting if you get that worked up by a damn video game maybe you should take a step back. That also goes for writing long winded diatribes about how in-game actions reflect who you are IRL like some second rate philosophy student.