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the forgotten "bookmarks in overview" feature

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2011-09-26 19:19:26 UTC
Mendolus wrote:

You missed the point, sorry.

Your point was dumb so it's ok.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#22 - 2011-09-26 19:20:53 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Soon™*

*Soon™ can mean anywhere from 18 months to 5 years or never.


Fyp




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Chuck Do Ceti
4 Corners Trading Corporation
#23 - 2011-10-01 04:42:47 UTC
It's now October, still no word?
mkint
#24 - 2011-10-01 07:05:13 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:
I hope that the bookmarks-in-space system will allow me to specify which bookmarks I would like to see in space. In some systems I have 20+ bookmarks (sorry CCP, I abuse your database terribly, I hope I'm not a bad person) but only regularly use a few of them.

This.

I'm not sure why people don't see this being an issue nerfing the usability of the proposed feature. In all honesty, I'll probably leave it turned off if it's a simple overview thing, except for the rare instances I have more than 2 or 3 bookmarks on grid. P&P will still be the easiest way to use bookmarks, especially with an overview full of moving ships. P&P also has the benefit of sorting by folders (btw CCP, I still think it was a jackass move to take away our other folders and replace them with *labels*... I ignore the feature in gmail and it's just as crappy in EVE.) Not saying the bookmarks on overview will be bad... just saying I don't think it's going to be as useful as people seem to think it's going to be, unless the bookmark overhaul is even bigger than previously discussed.

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Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#25 - 2011-10-17 21:24:18 UTC
Any word on this?

I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#26 - 2011-10-17 21:39:37 UTC
Komen wrote:
KaarBaak wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
Razin wrote:
How was the fishing?


It was pleasant thank you.

We are going to finish this feature and put it on TQ, the only question right now is "when".

I spoke to Team BFF who own this feature and as I suspected, an ETA is hard to get right now for the exact same reason that ETAs on other feature have been hard to come by in the last couple of weeks. You see....we're planning. BIG time! And we basically can't wait to tell you more about all that. But right now it's hard to give substantial information about specific features so I'm just gonna bite my tongue and keep you all in suspense for just a LITTLE while longer. Sorry about that :P

*bites tongue*


You guys say this ALL the time. It has yet to live up to the hype.

EDIT: 50% of the BIG things get pulled prior to patch. 30% make it ti Sisi, but not TQ. 15% make it to patch notes, but then get pushed off for unforeseen problems (eg this thread) never to be seen again. 5% make it to TQ bugged. Leaving us with maybe 10% of the original plan making it into the game. Not to mention the things that break as a result of that implementation.

Stop talking, start doing.


This. Well said. The list of 'promised vs. delivered features' is really, at this point, appalling. CCP could make entire expansions of the 'left on the drawing board features' that never made it in. Stuff that the playerbase was really, REALLY eager for (and some not so much, but still).

Also I'd like to re-iterate my position now, which I might just make into a sig, that the proposed null-sec revamp is fine, dandy, great, whatever. But within that re-vamp, low-sec should be included and have distinct characteristics/activities assigned as well. Otherwise it will be left as it currently is - a broken area of the game with the worst attributes of null-sec and high-sec combined.



While I am in COMPLETE agreement with the last paragraph of your post, I must point out that just because something in mentioned to be on the drawing board, or something they are considering, or "it would be nice if we could" does NOT make it a promise.

This board has a very nasty habit of taking an offhand comment and turning it into a promise CCP hand chiseled into stone tablets.

This point is more directed at KaarBaak than it is at you, as he appears to not only be a master of making a promise out of a casual mention... but also of the deadly art of pulling creatively made up "internet statistics" out of his ass.

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TaterRoller
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-11-03 14:16:25 UTC
Any word on this feature CCP Guard?
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#28 - 2011-11-03 14:30:22 UTC
Crasniya wrote:


If they might be about to announce a revamp of the bookmarks system, it'd be worth the wait.


If you check back on various Dev Blogs and Posts you'll find several devs stating less than impressed comments on the current BM system.

However they have also admitted that revamping the BM system wouldn't be that much of a revamp, it would be take down and rewrite.

So it's all about allocating dev resources to redo something that doesn't (initially) adds that much new, just cleans up "less than impressive design decitions" from the past.

We know that as Carbon(tm) and we also know a bit of the funky side effects (ie wierd bugs) that such rewrite normally gives us ;)

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Razin
The Scope
#29 - 2011-11-03 14:45:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Razin
Ranger 1 wrote:

This board has a very nasty habit of taking an offhand comment and turning it into a promise CCP hand chiseled into stone tablets.

The BMs in overview feature was not an "offhand comment". It was a promise made by CCP Soundwave back in the spring of this year. This was touted as an important item of one of the team BFF signature patches, somewhat delayed due to 'stuff' at the time.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#30 - 2011-11-03 17:07:40 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:


Yes...the truth hurts when you say it out loud. You'd rather they continue to blow smoke up your ass?

I like the game. I don't like devs over-hyping upcoming updates. That's what creates the cynicism.



I agree completely. My frustration over the Faction Warfare debacle isn't that they aren't fixing it fast enough, its that they keep mentioning it, than refusing to release any details. Players at this point feel like they're giving feedback to a brick wall.

It'd be a lot easier if they just said, "we're too busy right now, maybe in the future...." instead of mentioning it in a list than not following through or even talking about it.

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Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2011-11-03 17:37:32 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
You see....we're planning. BIG time!


dang!Shocked Am I the only one that's excited over this?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#32 - 2011-11-03 17:43:38 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
Razin wrote:
How was the fishing?


It was pleasant thank you.

We are going to finish this feature and put it on TQ, the only question right now is "when".

I spoke to Team BFF who own this feature and as I suspected, an ETA is hard to get right now for the exact same reason that ETAs on other feature have been hard to come by in the last couple of weeks. You see....we're planning. BIG time! And we basically can't wait to tell you more about all that. But right now it's hard to give substantial information about specific features so I'm just gonna bite my tongue and keep you all in suspense for just a LITTLE while longer. Sorry about that :P

*bites tongue*


You guys say this ALL the time. It has yet to live up to the hype.

EDIT: 50% of the BIG things get pulled prior to patch. 30% make it ti Sisi, but not TQ. 15% make it to patch notes, but then get pushed off for unforeseen problems (eg this thread) never to be seen again. 5% make it to TQ bugged. Leaving us with maybe 10% of the original plan making it into the game. Not to mention the things that break as a result of that implementation.

Stop talking, start doing.



Clearly you have not worked in a software development role before.

Believe me, it always seems easy but when you get down to the code, it takes longer.

Then comes testing - whereby you have to make sure you didn't break anything.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#33 - 2011-11-03 18:18:45 UTC
Razin wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

This board has a very nasty habit of taking an offhand comment and turning it into a promise CCP hand chiseled into stone tablets.

The BMs in overview feature was not an "offhand comment". It was a promise made by CCP Soundwave back in the spring of this year. This was touted as an important item of one of the team BFF signature patches, somewhat delayed due to 'stuff' at the time.


I remember it being mentioned, I did not remember it being promised... at least not promised to be delivered within a specific time frame. You could very well be correct, it's been awhile.

The post was in response to someone pretty much going off the deep end, making wild accusations and generalizations about a lot of things (not just the bookmark issue)... so I'm going to stand by the point I made.

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Razin
The Scope
#34 - 2011-11-03 18:46:38 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:


I remember it being mentioned, I did not remember it being promised... at least not promised to be delivered within a specific time frame. You could very well be correct, it's been awhile.

It was in the patch notes for a May 2011 BFF patch. Then it was removed with a "will be added in a later patch" explanation from Fallout; and that's when CCP Soundwave added that they are "fixing it as we speak though". Pretty much a promise.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#35 - 2011-11-03 19:58:42 UTC
Razin wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


I remember it being mentioned, I did not remember it being promised... at least not promised to be delivered within a specific time frame. You could very well be correct, it's been awhile.

It was in the patch notes for a May 2011 BFF patch. Then it was removed with a "will be added in a later patch" explanation from Fallout; and that's when CCP Soundwave added that they are "fixing it as we speak though". Pretty much a promise.


In that particular case agreed.

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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#36 - 2011-11-04 00:57:59 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Razin wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


I remember it being mentioned, I did not remember it being promised... at least not promised to be delivered within a specific time frame. You could very well be correct, it's been awhile.

It was in the patch notes for a May 2011 BFF patch. Then it was removed with a "will be added in a later patch" explanation from Fallout; and that's when CCP Soundwave added that they are "fixing it as we speak though". Pretty much a promise.


In that particular case agreed.


Apology accepted.

Dum Spiro Spero
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#37 - 2011-11-04 01:05:46 UTC
You guys notice corp bookmarks on sisi?
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#38 - 2011-11-04 01:08:35 UTC
non judgement wrote:
You guys notice corp bookmarks on sisi?

yes but thats off topic

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#39 - 2011-11-04 01:10:17 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
non judgement wrote:
You guys notice corp bookmarks on sisi?

yes but thats off topic

Its only slightly off topic. At least it shows they are doing things with bookmarks.
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2011-11-04 02:37:41 UTC
This feature would be awesome...make it happen CCP, what do I pay your for.
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