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[news] SEBIESTOR TRIBE TO MONITOR BROTEAU'S TRIAL

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Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-05-12 22:30:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Nerva Auris wrote:
One hopes the Federation will take care to ensure that the Delegates are unarmed, lest they decide to start executing officers of the court for failing to pursue the case vigorously enough to satisfy 'Tribal Justice'.


Tribal Justice!
Of course not!
No we would simply have done it exactly the same way the Feds carry out their justice for Anvent Eturrer.

*coughs*
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Anvent_Eturrer

Quote
" Foiritan then revealed Eturrer had been injected with a chemical agent that immolated when exposed to sound of a specific frequency. When prompted, the crowd unleashed screams and yells that were converted into the proper frequency, causing Eturrer's body to be gruesomely destroyed. Eturrer howled in pain during the process, but his screams were drowned out by the noise from the crowd"

*coughs*
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Two_Deaths_(Chronicle)

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""The traitor's body has been injected with a chemical that will respond to sound waves of a certain frequency. We are going to monitor the voices of the people here tonight, filter them, and pipe them over the traitor. If they are loud enough, the chemical mixture will be activated. Your voices will be heard."

""One last thing, people of the Federation. We took great care in preparing this chemical and inserting it into the traitor. It will disrupt, alight, or otherwise distort a number of cell clusters in his body. Cells are small, and a few disruptions would not do much. But we paid heed to history. The chemical was made to infect one cluster for each of the individual whose lives this traitor led to loss.

"This is your call, my fellow citizens. This is your moment."

The receptors activated. The crowd's voices crashed on it like a tsunami.

On the vidscreens, Eturrer's body dismantled itself in an orgy of immolation. His skin bubbled, reddened, smoked and burst; his hair self-alit, and his bones bulged and rippled as tumors and other malignant growths forced themselves through the soft flesh of his organs and tore their way to freedom. Eturrer's mouth opened to let Eturrer's voice through, but his screams were lost in the crowd."




That would have suffice.

We learn so much from the time we spent already as friends of the Gallentees of course!

We surely would not have done anything to cause the Gallentees to be disappointed with our justice system.

;-)

Thank you for your concern though Auris.
Have a nice day!
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#22 - 2013-05-12 22:32:24 UTC
So much life lost for a meaningless postponement of the accused's trial date... We will monitor proceedings as well for any irregularities. We must ensure full transparency in the trial for there to be no doubt about the propriety of the justice system.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#23 - 2013-05-13 00:13:31 UTC
Next week's news: Courtroom mysteriously explodes. Roll

Seriously, they send fifteen dreadnaughts to invade your nation and just a few days later your inviting them over for tea. When are you going to learn, really? I am filled with disappointment. For all the flaws of the Federation I never considered "dim witted" to be one of them - they're usually pretty smart people.

So I'm going to assume that you're going to be scanning both of these "observers" for transfusion explosives in their bodies. I'm sure the Black Eagles can handle that without batting an eyelash, yes?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Kytre Aurgnet
Better Hide R Die EVE
#24 - 2013-05-13 00:38:11 UTC
I'm just curious, Jelani Akinyemi Affonso, but based on the what the Republic has done, wouldn't the shooter have been treated worse had he been given over to your government?
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-05-13 01:52:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
What do you mean Kytre Aurgnet?

I believe I have already provided an answer when I responded to Auris earlier.

We simply would have done the same as the Federation had done to Anvent Eturrer. No more no less.

I'm sure that the Federation would not have any problems with it. They could even send observers to make sure we follow everything by the book. Since they are already experts.

Unless, you consider us doing the same thing to be any more worse by your standards.

would that not be ok with you Aurgnet?
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#26 - 2013-05-13 02:12:06 UTC
"We'll just emulate our allies at their absolute worst moment in modern history!"

Yes because that is completely the attitude to take, damned idiot.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Derek Quaid
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-05-13 03:27:14 UTC
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:
What do you mean Kytre Aurgnet?

I believe I have already provided an answer when I responded to Auris earlier.

We simply would have done the same as the Federation had done to Anvent Eturrer. No more no less.

I'm sure that the Federation would not have any problems with it. They could even send observers to make sure we follow everything by the book. Since they are already experts.

Unless, you consider us doing the same thing to be any more worse by your standards.

would that not be ok with you Aurgnet?

The Federation executed a criminal guilty of treason within their own jurisdiction.

The Republic wants to summarily execute a person who committed a crime outside of their jurisdiction.

These things aren't the same, you dolt.

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Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-05-13 04:55:26 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
"We'll just emulate our allies at their absolute worst moment in modern history!"

Yes because that is completely the attitude to take, damned idiot.



Exactly Marellus!
You are helping to prove my point exactly.

Aurgnet ask a question, while at the same time implying that the Federation is better than us, and also questioning our ability to be morally competent.

I merely,sarcastically, answered her question by showing her the Federation best moments or closet, whichever suits your boat. Yet we are quickly made out to be emotional madman with no self control, and yet and also barbaric, as if we do not know better. While some actions in the Federations past, one might say might be regarded as action only barbaric nations would take. If you are going to judge someone, don't be surprise if the same is done to you. That's all. Make sure you also hiding all those skeletons that you have laying around in your closet.

Sorry if you did not get the point that I was trying to make.


Dear Derek
lol

Have a nice day
Shiori Shaishi
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-05-13 08:00:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Shiori Shaishi
I find the notion of attaching observers to prosecution and defense specifically to be interesting. The more so as they belong to a single, non-neutral party. It would seem that in such a situation, both prosecution and defense could very easily raise the specters of contamination and collusion.

Msr. Broteau being acquitted on a process technicality would be a very unfortunate outcome. Of course, so would a conviction with less than perfect confidence in the truth of the matter being found.
Draqone an'Alreigh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-05-13 11:32:45 UTC
Gabriel Darkefyre wrote:
Draqone an'Alreigh wrote:
Anyone else thinking the Mr Broteau might have a very unfortunate accident very soon around those two? Pirate


One would think you doubt the ability of the Federal Authorities to maintain Security at such a High Profile Event.


I doubt the ability of the Federal Authorities to maintain security at High Profile Events after tens of people were murdered by a single guy during one.

Inducing the proliferation of common sense throughout EVE Official forums since April 27th, 2013.

Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#31 - 2013-05-13 12:04:48 UTC
The Gallente seem to be making this up as they go along.

What is meant by assigning an observer to the defense? I thought it was a fundamental principle of law that a defendant was able to meet with his legal representative in private and without being observed? Is this right now being waived?

The Minmatar observer has absolutely no right to be involved in any way with meetings of the defense. The defendant has not been found guilty of any crime and may yet turn out to be entirely innocent (mistaken identity etc.). Having an observer present is a complete violation of the legal process.

The Gallente should be ashamed of themselves for caving in on this point.

Fly Caldari!

Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#32 - 2013-05-13 12:16:09 UTC
A welcomed first step this is to rebuild the alliance between the Republic and the Federation, I certainly hope that the punishment for the assassin will satisfy both parties and we can finally end this entire farse.
Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#33 - 2013-05-13 12:25:53 UTC
Denak Calamari wrote:
A welcomed first step this is to rebuild the alliance between the Republic and the Federation, I certainly hope that the punishment for the alleged assassin will satisfy both parties and we can finally end this entire farse.


I fixed that for you. It's important that we don't jump to conclusions.

I also think that the term 'assassin' is speculative. There appears no evidence that Karin Midular was a specific target. Rather, it appears that a gunman opened fire on a crowd which contained Midular. there was no 'assassination'.

Fly Caldari!

Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#34 - 2013-05-13 12:30:46 UTC
Brandi Wiseman wrote:

I fixed that for you. It's important that we don't jump to conclusions.

I also think that the term 'assassin' is speculative. There appears no evidence that Karin Midular was a specific target. Rather, it appears that a gunman opened fire on a crowd which contained Midular. there was no 'assassination'.

yes, you have a point, I'll refrain from using the word from now on. It just happened to be a name for the person responsible for the shooting so I used that.

But regardless, point still stands that I hope everything can come to an even somewhat peaceful resolution.
Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#35 - 2013-05-13 13:35:36 UTC
Denak Calamari wrote:
Brandi Wiseman wrote:

I fixed that for you. It's important that we don't jump to conclusions.

I also think that the term 'assassin' is speculative. There appears no evidence that Karin Midular was a specific target. Rather, it appears that a gunman opened fire on a crowd which contained Midular. there was no 'assassination'.

yes, you have a point, I'll refrain from using the word from now on. It just happened to be a name for the person responsible for the shooting so I used that.

But regardless, point still stands that I hope everything can come to an even somewhat peaceful resolution.


That's good to hear. My point is that too many people have assumed guilt in this instance. The Minmatar have almost started a war over the issue and a lot of people are calling for blood. If this individual is guilty, then that guilt must be determined under the law, not just by happenstance.

Fly Caldari!

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#36 - 2013-05-13 13:45:17 UTC
Correction: Matari demands of getting custody of this individual have been for trial by a tribal court, not for vengeance. Yet, anyway.
Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#37 - 2013-05-13 14:33:39 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Correction: Matari demands of getting custody of this individual have been for trial by a tribal court, not for vengeance. Yet, anyway.


And you went to war for it.

Your fleet was little more than a lynch mob.

Fly Caldari!

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#38 - 2013-05-13 15:08:28 UTC
Don't you find it ironic that you, who call for not calling a person guilty before trial, cannot differentiate between going to war in order to bring someone to court, and a lynch mob?`

Not that either is necessary right. But surely they are different wrongs?
Nerva Auris
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-05-13 15:23:52 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Correction: Matari demands of getting custody of this individual have been for trial by a tribal court, not for vengeance. Yet, anyway.


Truly, the Minmatar sense of justice is inspiring. "We will betray our allies and murder as many innocents as necessary to make sure this man gets a fair trial in our courts."

I cannot fathom why the Federation did not embrace the idea.
Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#40 - 2013-05-13 15:50:43 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Don't you find it ironic that you, who call for not calling a person guilty before trial, cannot differentiate between going to war in order to bring someone to court, and a lynch mob?`

Not that either is necessary right. But surely they are different wrongs?


I can't differentiate between it, no. The Gallente Federation were already investigating the incident, had a suspect and were initiating trial proceedings to bring that individual to court.

There was absolutely no reason for the Minmatar to attempt to escalate matters by bringing a fleet into Gallente space in order to take the prisoner into their custody. Hence why I refer to the actions of a lynch mob.

Fly Caldari!

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