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Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#81 - 2013-05-13 05:55:34 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
Mr. Affonso, I assure you, should any break in status of relations with the Minmatar occur, the blame will entirely rest with our present Administration.

An Administration which can only be categorized as one of two things: dangerously incompetent, or horrifically misguided.


To be honest Soter, while I did support your petition for more information and for Blaque stepping down from the FIO. The Federation is not at 100% fault here. Never should Allies send a hostle fleet into the other's space.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#82 - 2013-05-13 06:03:16 UTC
If racism or a dislike of immigrants was cause for someone to pick up a gun and go on a killing spree, we would see this all of the time.

What condition was the suspect in when arrested?

As for taking a month to determine no further involvement, I think that's a lie. A month being injected with the right drugs and they can implant an entire story in any brain.

I won't be surprised if this suspect pleads guilty and repeats the exact line for a motive that we have seen in the news report.


Then what? Case closed? Who benefits from all this?

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Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#83 - 2013-05-13 07:02:21 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Well, I am not really interested in immigration politics of the Federation and what Blaque wanted to do about it, but I would be very content, if they banned emigration from the Federation, so all this gallentean filth remained inside Federal borders.


Uh...if you ban all emigration, then the other ethnicities can't get out either.



I would suspect that she would feel them already too tainted to be saved.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
No. You don't get to do this. You don't get to spit in the face of all the work the Federation has done over the years to help the Minmatar people reclaim their dignity and become a self-sufficient international power, send hostile military forces into our sovereign territory, kill thousands of Navy crewmen aboard starships crewed by officers who gave your forces ample opportunity to retreat without violence and then tell us it's our government's fault for not sharing enough information.


We're not saying it is the fault of the Federation that the events of Colelie happened, certainly not directly. Were their Federation actions that factored into the long-term culmination of that event? Definitely, but the final fault lies with our Republic for choosing to send in those Naglfars and to fire upon the Federation fleet.

I would hope, though, that the Federation is willing to look at the mistakes it made along the way and correct them for the future. While the fault lies with the Republic for the final choice made, there are many points along the way where things could've been done differently by either side that would've prevented the choice from ever coming up, and that's equally important.

As I once told my daughter when she she bragged about winning a fight a classmate had started with her, while he was at fault for throwing the first punch, she needed to think about what she had done to make him want to throw that first punch and consider how she could improve herself so it wouldn't happen again.


Also, for a nation that has supposedly been helping us reclaim our dignity, you guys sure seem intent on denying it to us every chance you get, constantly reminding us how we wouldn't even exist without your help, much less continue to get by.

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58 dead, 304 wounded, all of whom - with the exception of Karin Midular - were Federal citizens.


Did you actually read the news? Many of the dead and wounded were Republic citizens visiting their family in the Federation.
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2013-05-13 07:13:15 UTC
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:

But let's be clear, all of this could have being avoided if the Federation has simply kept the Republic inform. But the Federation stated they did not trust us with information , as if we could not being trusted. The Federation treated the Republic at best as an neutral entity and at worst as an enemy , not as an ally or friend.


You're an odd bird, but you're not the first person to claim that the Federation hasn't kept the Republic informed of things. Why is that? I've kept up on the news and nowhere have I seen any claims by the Republic that the Federation has not kept them informed. Shakor demanded Midular be transferred to a Republic hospital, and the two RSS incursions into Federation space were to secure Midular and to forcably extradite the shooter. Different matters entirely.

The only people I've seen complaining that the Federation wasn't sharing information with them has been private pilots and reporters. I suppose you might really feel that the Federation has a duty to share the details of ongoing investigations with foreign students. Stranger people have held stranger beliefs.

P.S., what's a cubicle? You keep telling people to go back to their cubicles. Is that some sort of Amarrian thing?

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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#85 - 2013-05-13 09:26:23 UTC
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:
I'll leave this here for you: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/republic-fleet-force-destroyed-entering-federation-despite-capsuleer-pleas-for-peace/

Beginning of the second paragraph, if you are interested. It clearly states the "Tribal Council" ordered such action.


It says that "according to reports" this is the case. I have seen the material on which those reports are based. It is far from conclusive; most damning are the following bits:

1) The Fleet call for help talks about how Tribal Council has discussed the issue. It then goes on to say that the Fleet person "has been instructed" to proceed. The implication to a careless reader is that these are orders by the Tribal Council, but in fact the message quite carefully does not say who gave the instruction.
2) When we on the field asked about this, the response we got was that the orders are "directly from the top". I, at least, was not given names or positions.

Make of that what you will. I know I have.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Sebiestor Tribe
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#86 - 2013-05-14 00:16:55 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Julianus Soter wrote:
Mr. Affonso, I assure you, should any break in status of relations with the Minmatar occur, the blame will entirely rest with our present Administration.

An Administration which can only be categorized as one of two things: dangerously incompetent, or horrifically misguided.

When I read something like this I try to console myself by considering the source.

But even still, how in the nine hells can any rational person blame the President for a military action perpetrated on the Federation by the current Tribal cabal?.

If you loath the Federation so much and have so much admiration for the Tribals and their “noble” cause, then for the love of heaven... GO!

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2013-05-14 17:33:13 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
Mr. Affonso, I assure you, should any break in status of relations with the Minmatar occur, the blame will entirely rest with our present Administration.

An Administration which can only be categorized as one of two things: dangerously incompetent, or horrifically misguided.

When I read something like this I try to console myself by considering the source.

But even still, how in the nine hells can any rational person blame the President for a military action perpetrated on the Federation by the current Tribal cabal?


I've been puzzled for some time at the Republican argument that the Federation doesn't view the Republic as a responsible peer, that it views the Republic as a client state that isn't entirely capable of functioning as a sovereign entity. Where did they get this idea, I've wondered.

Reading Soter's response here makes it all clear.

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Nerva Auris
Doomheim
#88 - 2013-05-14 17:45:28 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
Mr. Affonso, I assure you, should any break in status of relations with the Minmatar occur, the blame will entirely rest with our present Administration.

An Administration which can only be categorized as one of two things: dangerously incompetent, or horrifically misguided.

When I read something like this I try to console myself by considering the source.

But even still, how in the nine hells can any rational person blame the President for a military action perpetrated on the Federation by the current Tribal cabal?.

If you loath the Federation so much and have so much admiration for the Tribals and their “noble” cause, then for the love of heaven... GO!


It appears that the only proper way to respect the Republic and it's Tribal traditions is to simply abandon your own laws and sovereignty any time they start shouting and smashing things.

It's a shame it didn't occur to my ancestors to claim that the former Minmatar Empire was harboring a fugitive, it would seem in that case that even the Minmatar would have considered the subsequent invasion fully justified.