EVE New Citizens Q&A

My capabilities aren't being questioned here but if you feel they're lacking you're more than welcome to put them to the test. What is being questioned is your lack of logic, your quoted statement was about an obvious high sec **** corp and thus my reply is also about a high sec **** corp, it's not really that difficult to comprehend.

Also: **** troll was terrible, is terrible and will quite probably always remain terrible.

Ehh, it's not worth it. I'm all about the scamming, ripping off, baiting, AWOXing, you name it..but leave the noobs alone. Noob tears are quite unrefreshing as it is, as they lack that bitter tang that only vet tears have.

I'd rather see those of us on the dark side explaining the seedier side of EVE to the newbros and drumming up some interest, over "LOL I PWN U!" BS.

people still argue about it because we still have WoW players pretending to be Eve players. Dueling is more of an embarrassing addition to Eve than if they had a Barbie line of faction battle cruisers. Didn't need anything that resembles WoW in this game.
And exactly what is dueling in Eve?? Exactly what it is in WoW, something losers spam in trade hubs and newb areas when they're too terrible to win in real PvP.

Great job, CCP, nothing at all like that other MMO..........rolleyes.

NO ONE that actually PvP's even knows where the button is to challenge someone. We live where shooting people is not done by asking.

It is funny how I got 2 dueling messages a few days ago as I was just getting my tutorial started

I just got my pod into my rookie ship the tutorial had not even given me guns for my ship fittings yet and got a duel message

it is a stupid way to start learning a game. Imagine if I had to put up with that message every time I undocked

I found the checkbox to reject duel invites in the settings but still I remember this from the last time I tried to get into EVE as the reason I did not continue my trial. I am trying again hoping to avoid all scams and griefing until I learn how to defend my ship

If you love EVE you should understand the newbies need to learn how to walk before you teach them the hard lessons. Imagine Tutorials and Rookies are Pre-School through First Grade. What lulz is there in picking on a pre-school kid?

Hey all... so here are issues I think merit some discussion/clarification:

1) 'NEW PLAYER' is undefined. Currently, it is a subjective qualification. Players are getting threatened with bans for 'tricking' a 'new' player... there needs to be very clear definitions here.

2) One thing that nobody is discussing is the fact that we can create a 'new' or 'rookie' toon at will, and that there are some ppl who use this 'new' or 'rookie' toon to engage in looting or stealing, purposely flagging themselves suspect or criminal... using the facade of a 'new' player. So essentially, an advanced player can create a new toon, fly around rookie systems and loot and steal to their hearts content, because apparently, they are protected by virtue of their 'new' player status. Wasn't looting with impunity the kind of behavior Retribution and the suspect system was designed for?

3) CCP is issuing warnings to players that HAVE NOT jetted 'bait' cans, HAVE NOT issued duels to 'new' players, and whose only crime was engaging a target that was flagged suspect or criminal... but as I have said in #2... with no assurance that the player was, IN FACT, new (because of the Alt toon setup CCP provided).

4) For a 'new' player to get flagged suspect in the first place, they have to a) manually change their safety from green to yellow or red, AND b) loot/steal from a wreck or container that belongs to someone else. These are all actions that the 'new' player takes on their own accord... preempting any 'trickery' by another party.

5) As a practical manner, I could be ratting and/or doing anoms, have some 'new' toon fly in flagged suspect in a venture. He may well be an alt toon using the 'new' status of his toon as well as the status of the system as being 'rookie' system... how am I supposed to know? If he subsequently grabs a Dread Guristas drop worth 50million... you're telling me i'm at fault for popping him? Even tho CCP does not define 'new' as well as the fact that any 10-yr old player can have a 1 day old toon?

6) I believe I have a solution that will fix much of this, and I hope that maybe some other ppl will advocate for it. It is, quite simply: LOCK THE SAFTEY TO GREEN as well as LOCK IGNORE DUEL REQUESTS for whatever duration CCP deems as being 'NEW', 'NOOB', OR 'ROOKIE' status. Lock it so that they CANNOT go suspect or criminal, and also, so that older players cannot ABUSE the rookie systems mechanics. After that, if ppl are still leaving bait cans or wrecks or whatever... its irrelevant: 'new' toons wont have access to them.

If ppl are flagging themselves suspect and camping the stations hoping to draw rookie fire, that is something that could legitimately be petitioned. Keep in mind, my friends, that that may represent an opportunity for T3 BC gangs.. so idk.. we may want to keep that around.

I think its crap to give ppl warnings when 'new' players are undefined, have to manually turn off their safety, can only flag themselves as suspect or criminal by doing a criminal act or by stealing wrecks or loot... and those 'new' players can be 9 year old players with 1 day old toons. For my part, it isnt popping noobs for sport or to be 'elite' pvper... it was about ferreting out those players who think they are clever in using the system of alt toons within rookie systems to do what they used to be able to do before retribution.

I object... I OBJECT that i was interrupted while watching OW my Ba**s!

The the issue is...when are they no longer rookies...

I have seen 2 week characters that know a lot of the game.
I have seen 8 year characters who will make a peanut look intelligent.

Lock nothing, in fact lose the stupid safety button altogether. Anyone remember when Eve was for people capable of such decisions on their own? When actually knowing the rules of a game were expected before playing said game? When all the knowledge you needed to play was there, just not in big buttons for the chronically dim.

You won't get sympathy from PvP'ers over a lame WoW mechanic only newbs wanted. Pretty much everyone but care bears and newbs mocked dueling from the start and shockingly enough.....we were right. It's just the same crap as in WoW- only a concern for newbs who don't know what it is they really want to begin with. Except they feel the entire game should change just for them.

Like everything else used to be in this game- you are what you are by ACTION, not by choosing a class or something. You are a worthless newbie only so long as you choose to be one.

One thread over is a newb that gained the respect of the experienced Eve community. He PLAYED the game. Flew to low sec, hunted down targets, locked and fired. He won, he lost, but most importantly he TRIED. And for that he is no longer a newb really. Inexperienced yes, but he traded in newbie crap like dueling and reading local spam for actually playing Eve. No tears, just 'how do I get learn from this loss'.

Then there is this thread....

I agree.

Duel system: Good. Keep it. Change the text though as its not only 1v1. He can still use neutral reps.

Safety system: utterly stupid and just there to help the retards from making stupid mistakes. Delete it, if you dont know that you should take stuff from yellow cans/wrecks...its your problem you get blown up.

I went to the newb system over the weekend and tossed out a few duel invites at the gates with my hauler alt who has newb level combat skills. After I showed the one dude a proper incursus fit he kicked my ass. They had fun and so did I so all of you are wrong and I am right.

I wish it was true that we were indeed mass monitoring the help channels, but truth is, that we are very limited on resources, and we need to use our time as efficiently as we can when we are on duty.

I do agree with you that a presence in rookie systems is a good idea, and we are in fact doing just that. Personally I always roam most populated rookie systems when I have the time, and keep an eye out for ISK Spamming, griefing, and other undesireable behavior.

This is something ISD STAR has been doing for years, and still is.

But when you consider how rarely actual issues arise with people harassing new players in the starter systems, it would not be worth the time to have officials actively "guarding" these areas. We are able to make a much bigger difference when assisting players, than by watching the undock ramp on a rookie station for a few hours.

If new players do feel they are being (or have been) harassed in the starter systems, we'd appreciate if you file a petition (Ingame: F12 > Create petition > Rules and Policies > Harassment) so the GM's can investigate, and take appropriate action.




I'll make sure to stop by and keep an eye out