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Nitrogen Isotopes
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-05-13 01:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitrogen Isotopes
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
Since markets are regional I honestly don't get why people don't just unload next door in Perimeter or New Caldari or Sobaseki etc. - there's 7 to choose from 1 jump away - folks can purchase just as easily there.


Perhaps you could use this spark of curiosity to investigate why people naturally gravitate towards trade hubs. Who knows, you might learn something new you can then share with the rest of the class.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#22 - 2013-05-13 01:23:09 UTC
The Greenmachine Greenmachine wrote:
Is this how the game is supposed to work?

http://puu.sh/2S7gl.jpg


If you think Jita is bad, try Los Angeles in rush hour traffic...Ugh

Eve's version of traffic jams. Don't like it then move to another hub.

yk
Andrea Griffin
#23 - 2013-05-13 01:33:03 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
I was in a fleet fight the other day 750 in system, slideshow 75% tidi most of the fight. The most amusing thing is that the Tidi followed us all the way back home, 10 jumps, 30 mins, 75% tidi all the way. Is it my imagination, or is the hardware/code getting worse? Oops
If you don't like TiDi then maybe you should try non-blob fights. I hear that when you don't flood a system with movement, module activations, EWar effects, missile flights, and gun fire that has to be sent to each of the 750 people on grid, things work better.

Single shard is fine. It's the edge cases where things need to be given some special attention. Even the MMOs that run shards tend to start breaking down with 100-some people in a single area, and they don't even have to worry about half the things that Eve does.

Bitching about what Eve is capable of is like saying, "Man, I had open heart surgery and I'm still alive but I have this scar, open heart surgery is ********."

CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.
dark heartt
#24 - 2013-05-13 01:44:14 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
The Greenmachine Greenmachine wrote:
Is this how the game is supposed to work?

http://puu.sh/2S7gl.jpg



CCP proves daily that the single shard universe doesn't work.

It's a great idea in theory, but they cannot provide the hardware needed to handle the server load, and they cannot code efficiently enough to minimize the issues involved with an excessive number of players in some systems.

I was in a fleet fight the other day 750 in system, slideshow 75% tidi most of the fight.
The most amusing thing is that the Tidi followed us all the way back home, 10 jumps, 30 mins, 75% tidi all the way.
Is it my imagination, or is the hardware/code getting worse? Oops



It works, you just need to realise that it is not a normal thing. I don't see any other MMOs with a single shard universe and changing Eve would completely ruin the game. If you don't like it don't play.

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-05-13 05:18:08 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
The Greenmachine Greenmachine wrote:
Is this how the game is supposed to work?

http://puu.sh/2S7gl.jpg



CCP proves daily that the single shard universe doesn't work.

It's a great idea in theory, but they cannot provide the hardware needed to handle the server load, and they cannot code efficiently enough to minimize the issues involved with an excessive number of players in some systems.

I was in a fleet fight the other day 750 in system, slideshow 75% tidi most of the fight.
The most amusing thing is that the Tidi followed us all the way back home, 10 jumps, 30 mins, 75% tidi all the way.
Is it my imagination, or is the hardware/code getting worse? Oops


and people trying to invent the airplane didn't have the hardware needed to handle flight... It's a good thing they stooped trying

Oh....

Wait....

Roll
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-05-13 05:25:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
baltec1 wrote:
Oh so you liked the black screens and mass disconects we had before tidi?

The point is not that it was better before tidi, the point is that hardware still can't sustain the way the game is played by people.

The fact that EVE mech and meta only makes it more benefical to fight "general battles" like it is medevial times only makes the issue worse.

Not attacking CCP or anyone else, I'm sure everyone does their best. But it's just the way it is.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#27 - 2013-05-13 06:13:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The Greenmachine Greenmachine wrote:
Is this how the game is supposed to work?
Yes.


NO Jita shouldn't be SNAFU just because its popular & CCP should increase the CAP & fix the game
FACE IT JITA IS CURRENTLY BROKEN Oops
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-05-13 06:28:43 UTC
Lets ALL go to Jita, then complain about it so people can laugh at our lack of IQ.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-05-13 06:33:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
YuuKnow wrote:
The Greenmachine Greenmachine wrote:
Is this how the game is supposed to work?

http://puu.sh/2S7gl.jpg


If you think Jita is bad, try Los Angeles in rush hour traffic...Ugh

Eve's version of traffic jams. Don't like it then move to another hub.

yk


Both fine examples of why free transport and housing never works and makes things worse for everyone.
Put tolls on stargates and rent on stations and watch Jita fix itself overnight.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2013-05-13 07:54:37 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Oh so you liked the black screens and mass disconects we had before tidi?

The point is not that it was better before tidi, the point is that hardware still can't sustain the way the game is played by people.

The fact that EVE mech and meta only makes it more benefical to fight "general battles" like it is medevial times only makes the issue worse.

Not attacking CCP or anyone else, I'm sure everyone does their best. But it's just the way it is.


The very fact that we can have 3000 pilots in a fight says it does work.
Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-05-13 08:27:02 UTC
Jesus christ, just go to one of the other trade hubs that aren't rushed by idiots to the same extent as Jita.
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-05-13 10:27:58 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Is it my imagination, or is the hardware/code getting worse? Oops

I don't think it's your imagination.

We had a dozen ships bridge through a BLOPs the other day, and half couldn't get through due to traffic control.

This was a navigation bridge, but if we were bridging into a combat situation, the battle could have been lost, as the bridge was down when traffic control ended.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
#33 - 2013-05-13 10:37:57 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Is it my imagination, or is the hardware/code getting worse? Oops

I don't think it's your imagination.

We had a dozen ships bridge through a BLOPs the other day, and half couldn't get through due to traffic control.

This was a navigation bridge, but if we were bridging into a combat situation, the battle could have been lost, as the bridge was down when traffic control ended.

l2 Solo....

 ♥ 
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#34 - 2013-05-13 10:40:02 UTC
1) separate empire hisecs with lowsec
2) disable jump drives in hisec
3) introduce higher sales taxes in hisec, lower in lowsec, sov-holder collectable in null
4) introduce customs fees on empire border crossings for item quantities above personal use
5) add local manufacturing maluses to blueprints (Amarr ships cheaper to build in Amarr space etc, lower malus in lowsec, null and wormholes free of maluses)

-> suddenly interesting local markets and international trade and no more everyone and their mom squeezing into one stinking system

.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2013-05-13 10:51:32 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
NO Jita shouldn't be SNAFU just because its popular & CCP should increase the CAP & fix the game
FACE IT JITA IS CURRENTLY BROKEN Oops
How is it broken? Seems to be working pretty well.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#36 - 2013-05-13 11:44:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Oh so you liked the black screens and mass disconects we had before tidi?
... the point is that hardware still can't sustain the way the game is played by people.



The hardware can sustain things "as designed", the problem comes in when you've got people jumping instead of bridging, and then 3,000 people show up to either whore on the KM, or try defending the lemming. That is, we take the improvements that CCP has designed into the system, and then push them to (and sometimes beyond) their limits.

edit --
take someone from 10 years ago and tell them we'll have battles of 250/side without black screens
take someone from 5 years ago and tell them we'll have battles of 1200/side without black screens
take someone from 6 months ago, and tell them we'll have a battle with ~3000 pilots IN LOWSEC, ON AN UN-HARDENED NODE

you'll get laughed at in every case.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-05-13 12:49:41 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
The Greenmachine Greenmachine wrote:
Is this how the game is supposed to work?

http://puu.sh/2S7gl.jpg



CCP proves daily that the single shard universe doesn't work.

It's a great idea in theory, but they cannot provide the hardware needed to handle the server load, and they cannot code efficiently enough to minimize the issues involved with an excessive number of players in some systems.

I was in a fleet fight the other day 750 in system, slideshow 75% tidi most of the fight.
The most amusing thing is that the Tidi followed us all the way back home, 10 jumps, 30 mins, 75% tidi all the way.
Is it my imagination, or is the hardware/code getting worse? Oops



This post was so dumb I almost cried.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-05-13 12:57:06 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:

Single shard works just fine and has been continually been improved over the years.

either it works "just fine" or it needs improvements.

personally i don't see "just fine" when you cannot enter some system in SINGLE UNIVERSE. TiDi is OK. But not message "you cannot enter system XXX. Choose another" (or how it is).

I remember days of old NC when they crashed nodes bringing all of their alts into sieged system to prevent enemies from entering. Looks like these days people can use the same tactics....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2013-05-13 13:01:27 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
either it works "just fine" or it needs improvements.
False dichotomy. Everything can be improved, even things that work just fine. Mops work just fine, someone went on to invent Scoobas anyway.
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