EVE General Discussion

I played on Singularity. I noticed that existing ice belt systems will have the ice belt anomalies. So they don't appear to be random and in every system. You can use the ship scanner. Sites are not probed down.

There's about 50+ people in an ice belt right now on Tranquility. In the same system in Singularity the size of the ice belt is about 100 ice per roid, and 16 roids total. Thats about 1600 blocks. With 50 people it will take 20 minutes complete a belt.

I'm basing this on current ~100 second cycle times with orca boosts and the newly double cycle rate.

What happens when an ice roid pops in the middile of a cycle? You can't sit still now, you will have to move your fleet around. It looks like jetcanning and orca tractor beamers will make a come back. No dumping into fleet hangers anymore.

One thing is for certain, the new system will not accommodate current conditions, not even remotely close.

I for one won't be mining in Lowsec. Why? I'm not taking 14 macks and an Orca to mine ice, put up a POS, have it shot down, scout for gatecamps, jump bridging the goods to hisec, BC and BS rats etc. just so I can get ganked in 1.5 hour belt...of course I would have a lot of drones... but I dont want to have to work. Besides, would you risk 4 billion in assets just so you can have an ice belt to yourself in lower sec?

Join a corp with access? That may work for some. But personally I'm not going join all my characters. I've noticed recruiters tend to be greedy in this regard. They want your mining alt fleet and they also want all your unrelated characters too. So they get nothing.

While CCP is ensuring that some ice must be mined in low sec, I suspect that if you don't do it already, you won't. if 20% of ice isn't mined in lower security space currently, I expect shortages. It's a harsh game remember?

The market is already reflecting changes before the release of the expansion. Whats going to happen? Higher fuel prices? Less POS's maintained? Increased T3 costs? Less Plex subs for multiboxers?

However, the real question is, what happened to our Simcities in Space?

I have a job for you. Contact me in-game.

honestly, this change is way too beneficial to multiboxers instead of regular miners. once a belt spawns a single boxer can kill half the belt in under 5 minutes. the new ice cycle timer is completely unnecessary.


and as far as having to move to low/null... do it. if you can already run that many accounts you can keep an index of 4 alone. on any system. once the ore changes hit, just switch to mining ore and join a null sec alliance. just remember this, when you join, make the clones, and fly to your home in pods or ventures. if you are giving them 20 man hours per hour, they better be ready to set up a safe pos for you and give you atleast 5 production lines.

with your extraction power and the new ore refining values you'll be space rich in a month, and you can buy yourself your very own JF alt that will get ganked in a week and get you booted from the alliance for shaming their killboard.

They should add 6-10 systems in lowsec with infinite ice fields, if people need ice so bad, they can risk getting it in losec.

So how big of a fleet of mining ships would you need to suck up an ice field in say 5 to 10 minutes?

Who has the logistical prowess to Titan bridge said fleet into a losec system, or an enemy held nullsec system for that matter?

Ice belts are ok, I salute the changes. But I cannot understand what happened with the gravimetric sites... in the next expansion you have to be completely nuts to mine in a gravi site. I had a test with a friend on the test server, took me about 8 seconds to gank him in the gravi site soon as I landed in his system. Miners in null and WH willl have to skip the gravi sites and mine in the regular belts or they will fall like flies, ganking miners will be just too easy.

Conflict drives EVE... so you should add a few logi's to that fleet of ice-mining goodness, and get some friends to cover your Six in exchange for some of your ice.... Onoes... working together...

1600 wasn't meant to be exact, just estimate, roids had a bit over 100 using a survey scanner, some roids had 109, 126. I didnt see anything that would indicate an average of 150. Could it still have been 2500, sure. I didnt go and check each roid.

four hour respawn timer? wow.

Simcity worked because it was designed to be "won" There really was no challenge or threat. Eve is a game in which you build something in spite of other players trying to destroy it.

This is not "sim city" in space, and never has been. Your f2p PLEXed accounts are no more interesting than AI rats.

As for the value of PLEX; CCP can subsidize that at any time. You farm resources that can be produced with a hand wave. Perhaps no one is terribly concerned whether you log in or not.

Maybe that is what this next xpac is all about.

You do realize that depletion of ice belts and the decreased cycle time makes things harder on multiboxers, don't you?

Not only will their ore holds fill up twice as fast so they'll have to micromanage that, the depleting ice chunks means that they can't sit in one spot either. Not only will their fleet deplete ice, other fleets will also deplete it and ice depletion will be fairly unpredictable, meaning you can't go semi-AFK and expect to pull decent amounts like you can now. Controlling multiple mining ships + Orcas with one person is going to be a lot harder to manage.
This is why, despite ore being more profitable, you don't see multiboxing ore mining fleets at nearly the same scale as multiboxing ice miners.