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Tips for someone wanting to try PvP?

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Eliose Lucian
Turn One Thoughtseize
#1 - 2013-05-09 03:29:57 UTC
Hey guys, felt I should try and get tips from some more experienced players before I go and lose all my ISK Lol

I am planning on doing stealth bombers, and I am pretty close, but I have no idea what to train PvP wise after that's done.

I have read up on how to use bombs, and fly in bomber wings/squads, and I plan on flying around with the bombers bar soon, but I'll take any help I can get!

Tips for soloing SB's would be nice, and maybe some good places to roam around. Other then that, I feel I can get myself blown up pretty fantastically without any more help Blink

Sic Semper Tyrannis

Combatevolved
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-05-09 04:07:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Combatevolved
I wouldn't solo in a sb tbh. The only thing you might kill is a short range bs you can, kite. If he doesn't have backup.

SB can't hit small targets, a frig can kill you.

I honestly would start with frigs to pvp. Get use to it and work up. IDK cheapest and get in the mind set if you never done it. Much different than cruiser and up.

Frig pvp I find much more exciting and faster pace. Dessy too.

If you are in a fleet of SB, IE bombers bar. Then fit a bomb well.
Eliose Lucian
Turn One Thoughtseize
#3 - 2013-05-09 04:45:44 UTC
okay I see your points, and they are indeed valid ones, will look into it Big smile

Sic Semper Tyrannis

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#4 - 2013-05-09 06:50:08 UTC
T1 frigs, novice FW plexes. Begone and do not return until you have lost 50 of them (seriously).

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#5 - 2013-05-09 06:52:06 UTC
And see this this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=233784

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Kraizer793
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-05-09 16:59:57 UTC
As has been mentioned, I'd suggest getting some (bare minimum) PvP experience in non-covert hulls. Just so you don't poop your pants when your overview fills up with flashy targets and all your friends are off grid already.

Flying solo in a Stealth Bomber isn't the greatest thing in the world, but it is doable. But you won't have much experience with knowing how certain ships will fight. What's the typical engagement range of X ship, how fast does Y go, etc. There's much more to PvP than decloaking and throwing torpedoes around.

Also, Stealth Bombers are the poster child of glass cannons in EVE. Be forewarned.

Eliose Lucian
Turn One Thoughtseize
#7 - 2013-05-11 11:07:47 UTC
Yeah I know, and I do have some limited PvP experience, but I assume I still classify as a noob Blink I have been in some blob fights, a few low-sec roams and stuff, but only in cheapo rifter fits and such. I saw that SBs were great group ships, and half decent solo ships, not really for 1v1s or anything, but annoying gate camps and scouting.

Sic Semper Tyrannis

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2013-05-11 12:08:58 UTC
Eliose Lucian wrote:
Yeah I know, and I do have some limited PvP experience, but I assume I still classify as a noob Blink I have been in some blob fights, a few low-sec roams and stuff, but only in cheapo rifter fits and such. I saw that SBs were great group ships, and half decent solo ships, not really for 1v1s or anything, but annoying gate camps and scouting.


If you kb is your pvp expirience you're a pvp fetus.

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Katsumoto Moliko
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-05-13 03:11:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Katsumoto Moliko
As other people in this thread have stated; you are going to have a slightly easier time flying other ships if you are just dabbling in PvP. Stealth Bombers are, for all intents and purposes, an acquired taste. Also, they need to be part of a group in order to maximize their potential.

That being said, solo pvp in one is far from impossible, but it does require you to have patience and the understanding that you are fighting with one of your hands behind your back.

1 on 1 is a risky scenario and should not be undertaken unless you are completely confident you have the upper hand, as in;
-Your target is using a ship with a large signature radius with mainly close ranged weaponry.
-Your target is using a bulky non-combat ship. (Caution when targeting these: expect backup to his aid if cornered.)
-Your target did something silly to increase his signature radius by a dramatic amount.

Torpedoes will do damage but bombs are what your ship is designed for.

You have a covert ops cloaking device. Pick your battles wisely.

Attacking camps/blobs with bombs is always fun, and can net you a few kills if the group is inexperienced/unorganized. Be sure you drop your bomb and RUN.

Remember that you are going to lose a few ships when learning the ropes. You will make rookie mistakes and you will go home in your pod or wake up at your cloning station when you do.
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#10 - 2013-05-13 08:13:06 UTC
Do yourself a favor. Scrap the Stealth Bomber idea *for now*. Go lose some cheaper ships and learn what enemies are capable of, what to expect, etc. TBH, My knowledge of stealth bombers isn't great, but they're uhm...rather difficult to pull off solo. You can, but more than likely you're going to get out there, engage on something, and then have his friends drop in. Or miscalculate and get ripped to shreds by drones, or something. Anyways, go fly something cheap and lose 10 of those before you come back to the stealth bomber idea.

Don't misunderstand me though. This is eve, and whatever people tell you is to be taken with a grain of salt. If you really want to do solo Stealth Bombers, I have no doubt you can make it work. But you'll make the path easier if you take a little detour to fly some t1 frigs in lowsec.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#11 - 2013-05-13 08:44:11 UTC
Why all these advises tell "go losing cheap ships" ?

My advise is that join some good pvp corporation who recruit new players and teach them how to pvp, that is how you get best game experience. After short training you will be the guy who kill these guys who want to lose ships to learn pvp.
Rob Lorence
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-05-13 09:06:25 UTC
Don't bother with stealth bombers for solo pvp.. It will be way too boring to wait until you can find something you can actually solo with that and even then there's the chance some small ship will join in and gank you very fast.

Either join a pvp corp that does small gangs and trains ppl (much faster to learn from ppl and only after that learn from your own experience)

Or, if you really are adamant on learning from solo. Focus on maximizing skills for a specific race/weapon type frig (brawl or kite and tech1) and then read on forums or ask which ships can you normally go against .. Then its just a matter of running around FW space and Dscanning plexes for your training "dummies"


Personally i think that if your a fast learner you would do well to join a small "family" style FW corp and learn from the more experienced pilots there.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2013-05-13 13:15:05 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Why all these advises tell "go losing cheap ships" ?

My advise is that join some good pvp corporation who recruit new players and teach them how to pvp, that is how you get best game experience. After short training you will be the guy who kill these guys who want to lose ships to learn pvp.



Step 1. Join a good corp
Step 2. Go lose some ships ^^

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Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-13 14:00:00 UTC
I still don't understand why every single noob that wants to PvP always thinks the best ship to train for is a stealth bomber..

Then they ask how to solo in it.

Skelee VI
Appetite 4 Destruction
#15 - 2013-05-13 18:11:12 UTC
get in ship, find ship... shoot it
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#16 - 2013-05-13 18:35:22 UTC
It has a cloak and does lots of DPS!
IT'S INVINCIBLE!!!


Diesel47 wrote:
I still don't understand why every single noob that wants to PvP always thinks the best ship to train for is a stealth bomber..

Then they ask how to solo in it.




nom nom

Gejja Tokan
Lighting the blight
#17 - 2013-05-13 19:32:58 UTC
It's the night elf rogue of EVE.

That said solo'ing with SBs is doable with less than half a years worth of skills, you just need to find opponents that are terrible enough. (When I started and did that, it was the old Northern Coalition, no idea who you can shoot nowadays, TEST maybe ?)
Combatevolved
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-05-13 20:18:41 UTC
What if you put rockets or light missiles on the SB and kill frigs?
Haulie Berry
#19 - 2013-05-13 21:08:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Combatevolved wrote:
What if you put rockets or light missiles on the SB and kill frigs?



If you put rockets or light missiles on an SB, you will still get killed by T1 frigates.

Badly.

You can take an SB out solo, but it requires patience to find a suitable target.

I always liked them in wormholes, where you can be truly "stealth", but it's time consuming finding a good, occupied wormhole and even then, your engagement options are limited and you will mostly be murdering non-combat ships (industrials picking PI goods up at POCOs, the occasional miner, the occasional Noctis... I have caught some idiot tornados camping a hole at a distance hoping to lock and pop people who come in, that's always fun).
Auduin Samson
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-05-14 00:25:55 UTC
http://themittani.com/features/pvp-everyone-derp-frig

Build/Buy as many derptrons as you are willing to throw to their hilarious deaths and have fun. Seriously, PVP isn't about reading and executing tactics that someone once told you worked for them. It's about getting out there and trying it yourself, then learning what works for you. The dumber you are when you start, the more you pick up from each fiery death. You have no preconceptions of "The Right Way" and instead focus on trying different tactics until something works. Then refine that. Who knows, you might find something nobody else though of.

Happy hunting.
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