Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Please let me know where I can send feedback on the new gallente battleships on SISI.

I have just returned to the game and was glad to see that the brutix had become a reasonable brawler, saddened that the myrmidon is now unusable in pvp.

Here is my feedback on the new T1 battleships:

Hyperion - great change. It now has a utility slot so it's no longer a victim to every cruiser and frigate it encounters. The additional drone bay space finally gives it some offensive capability against frigates as well as drone versatility. Finally it has become the ship it always should have been. 10/10

megathron - a shocking nerf to and old favourite - the removal of the utility high slot is a terrible blow to an otherwise good ship. It is now vulnerable to frigates and cruisers since you can't fit a neutraliser. This should be reversed. Additionally, it lost drone space and bandwidth. Gallente are (were) famed for drone use. This is un-necessary and a loss to the ship's versatility. Please also understand how boring it is to have to fit 3 different sizes of drones just to make one flight. The last patch solved that on the myrm (although it killed the ship because the prophecy now does the job better), but this one plagues the megathron with a 75m drone bay. If this ship makes it to TQ, it will be shunned, which is probably not the intent. 0/10

Dominix - ridiculous. The drone range bonus only affects sentries. The domi is no longer a versatile front line ship as per it's description - it has become a specialised sentry drone launcher. This needs to be undone since this role is already covered by the ishtar. 0/10

I felt sick when I realised I had just paid to resubscribe after a 6 month break, and now I need to retrain to another race in order to get an affordable and functional battleship.

Please reconsider the dominix and megathron changes.

The hyperion change is positive and long overdue.

/MC

People will only train Gallente Battleship to use the Hyperion now. Mega changes are terrible. Can I get stats that say the utility high was usually not used? Fairly sure a medium/heavy neut is invaluable in many engagements. The new mega is less solo-capable and only marginally better as a fleet ship (and even then I'm not sure since fleets prefer alpha, i.e. damage bonus rather than ROF bonus).


The dominix is... okay. As many have said it's better at one role now (sentry battleship) but worse at everything else. The old domi could do this less effectively but it could also be a neut domi (role now surpassed by the geddon) as well as a shield gank fit that could reach 2k DPS with implants. Not as disastrous of a change as the mega but not really impressed.

My suggestions:
1. Keep the Hyperion changes, these are spot on.
2. Leave the Mega layout as it currently exists in TQ but keep the speed buff and the other tier-related buffs.
3. Domi drone bonuses are a bit awkward. I mean perhaps you guys are setting this ship up for future drone changes but as drone mechanics currently exist an optimal/falloff range bonus to hybrids would suit what you are seemingly trying to do with the Domi better. If you want to keep the current proposed bonus changes, I would DEFINITELY consider shifting more of the unbonussed highs to the mids or lows.

I imagine the main reason for changing the mega was, because gallente had two turret small gang battleships(actually 3, since you also could fit the domi this way). I think the hp numbers on the first page still reflect the first iteration, basically HP should be swapped between mega and hype after the role change, giving the new mega quite some staying power with the extra low compared to the Abaddon.

I don't think comparing the Mega to the Talos will result in any good balancing decision, this happens in all 4 bs threads and always comes to the conclusion that tier 3 BCs are just to good at what they do, not only compared against BS but also HACs and other ships.

Could you maybe post when you last edited the OP.

Been watching (and reading) this thread for a week or so. I like some of the changes to the Hyperion, though I am a little perplexed on a couple things. So the questions are directed to the devs.

Firstly, what is with that odd ball launcher hard point?

Secondly, what is the fascination having it keep that armor rep bonus?

I ask this last question because in an earlier post CCP Rise mentions that this is a bonus that is a racial uniqueness and is seen throughout the Gallente ship line. I went and checked the line up and only found 3 besides the Hyperion (Incursus, Brutix, and Myrmidon). While the bonus is fine there should be something to make the ship worth having in a fleet. Then I got this idea, how about a bonus when receiving remote reps. Nothing big just something like 2.5% per skill level in addition to the self armor rep bonus. It'll be easier for fleet support and logistics to keep the ship repaired in the fight while not being crazy broken. At lvl 5 battleship skill the bonus is only 12.5% and there are no modules or rigs to my knowledge that give bonuses like this. Could even do something for shield boosting for the Maelstrom (which has something akin for shield).

If this is not something that is feasible, then another idea I had was to just simply move the armor reping bonus to just a flat role bonus and put in a new scaling bonus. I can see some potential with this ship, but the self reaping bonus is such a situational thing that requires a lot of fidgeting and doesn't work well for some fleet doctrines. Its almost like the ship is just meant for solo/small gang work and nothing. If you are trying to rebalance the all the ships then its got to have some place in larger fleet ops.

Just my couple isk :)

Yes, please continue trying to make the Hyperion a fleet ship and ruining it at the one job it was made for and was only ever good at. I agree with you about applying local repair bonus to extend to remote repair as well (this makes it a more viable fleet option without removing its solo capabilities). However I don't think the bonus should go role and then give it a second bonus. Right now the ship is PERFECT at its role, giving it any other bonus will push it into the threshold of OP. And then it'll get over-nerfed and stay a limp hound for 3 years.

I certainly don't want that. Until armor tanking and the active boost bonuses are looked at in more detail the Hyperion is going to stay as one of the top of the line small gang ships.

The Megatrhon changes COULD be given a look at, but I'm sorta okay with where it is at now.

As for the Domi, as has been said over and over (and over, and over, and over) it REALLY needs to be looked at. If not the Domi, then the Geddon. It's just not fair for the Geddon to get the choice between turrets and bonus Neuts (PLUS equal power drones), Missiles and bonus Neuts (again, plus equal power drones), where the Domi gets... unbonused turrets. And equal drone power. And equal drone bay. There's no incentive to use it over the Armageddon in its old NeutDrone Boat role (That's ZERO incentive, you'd only be doing it because you WANTED to fly the Domi instead). Which is terrible for CCP's stated "we feel the ship will keep its versatility" statement.

Because, sure, you still CAN make a Neut Domi. But why WOULD you? You have another ship that's 100% better at the role. And sure it can still fit blasters, but now they're unbonused and not doing nearly the amount of damage they could (consider that it only has 6 turrets and blaster power is REALLY underwhelming unbonused at that level). So many people will opt to put, say, Autocannons on it instead, then. The Geddon can also do this. It can also fit missiles instead. What is it that the Dominix offers over the Geddon?

Sentry drones. A niche use that will see whatever its current popularity in PvP decline. The Domi can be saved, and giving it bonused blasters back isn't necessarily the way to do it.

But come on, throw us a freaking bone already!

To use the sentry bonus and "snipe" you lose 2 of the high slots to drone link augmentors. Unless of course you don't care for the second domi bonus and fit 6 turrets and shoot at 60 km only

What if you lose the two high slots? You still outdamage other battleships at long range.

Also, why would you "snipe"?

Why? Optimal bonus doesn't mean sniping. It means your weapons apply damage better.

Really, Domi is strong at medium-long range. Of course, it can snipe if you really think battleship sniping is a cool thing. It can also brawl, unlike every other sniper. Whether or not these strengths evolve into fleet doctrines hinges on the vague promises of fixing drone mechanics.

Which doesn't look too good, CCP is silent.

It has less versatility, just like Mega, which is bad for battleships, since their current uses were already extremely niche styles of PVP, or then PVE.

More focused = less versatile. Note that this change does not move a portion of turret dps to drones, it simply removes turret dps.

Geddon assuming the role of neut drone ship is the other thing indirectly reducing versatility.

One could argue that being able to apply Hammerhead damage instead of Hobgoblin damage means more than squat. In many practical situations drones orbit a moving target, forcing elliptical orbits. Which means that increased optimal translates to applied damage- Omnidirectional Tracking links do help scout drone damage as well. I've never tested 4 links, of which two are unstacked. It might mean more than what people think.

I also believe drones orbit outside their base optimal, both are affected by skills however.

Dominix also has midslot (=hard tackle) advantage over Geddon, these together make Domi more dangerous to small ships. It is a better drone ship, just less versatile than before. Yes, people always wish for dedicated drone ships, I personally don't think such are very viable in real situations.

I do hope that Ishtar gets to keep it's turret bonus.

i don't i think the ishtar having 4 drone bonuses would make it a great ship instead of losing a bonus that is hardly used on its 3 turrets.

i hope they build in its dronebay bonus.
-5% drone velocity
-10% drone damage HP
-5km bonus to scout and heavy drone operation
-10% drone optimal range and tracking
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Something like this would be very nice.