Ships & Modules

First mistake you are making is that you use something other than scourge. Drake now has a 50% damage bonus to kinetic with BC V (which I have) and using any other ammo, even if its on amarr rats is a DPS loss.

Drake's max range with faction missiles is 62.9km with all 5s, 54.8 with level 4 skills.

Your ferox at all 5s will do 35+25 with antimatter and with the impending nerf to the tracking enhancer will be even lower.

Also you have gun implants since all 5s indicate 386 DPS with faction antimatter. Or you are quoting with drones.

You also have no prop mod though you probably should drop the amplifier for it

Your rigs are..kind of funny, but w/e.

Also your cap lasts 1 minute 7 seconds with all 5s, not that important since level 3s should not even need to use your shield booster, however I use my drake for 4s sometimes and it tanks up to about 8 battleships fine, probably more is possible.

example of how ridiculous a drake can be: http://killfeed.eveuniversity.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=69810

If I set up my drake to run level 3s as best it could, it would look like this:

[Drake, pve]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Warrior II x5

Also you keep quoting your DPS at 1 falloff. Your dps is NOT what is shown in EFT at optimal+falloff. It is exactly HALF what is shown at optimal+falloff.

So the ferox fit you linked with perfect skills will do 193 DPS at 60km
With Thorium it will do 289 DPS at 61km which is the closest approximation to drake range with your fit. Drake does 391 at 62.9km.

Of course you could make a sniping ferox that can far outrange the drake but then you're down to 225 DPS and you have to evaluate if its even worth it.

EFT DPS is NOT what you will do ingame, you must remember that. This is true for missiles AND turrets. I'm well aware I'm not going to do full 391 DPS on frigates for example, I have to change to precision missiles which drop my range down to 31km (not that it matters much since they get close anyway) and it will take 3-4 hits to blow them up, less with drones.

Your problem is that you have to kill frigates before they get close since your rails cannot track if they do. Both systems have their drawbacks but the drake at least can overcome them while a webbed and scrammed ferox only has drones to rely on.

Overall as a missioning platform, the drake far outperforms the ferox and it's mainly because of the weapon system.

EDIT: to get to the killfeed you must remove the amp; from the URL or copy and paste instead of clicking, not sure why eve forums linking converts it like that -_-

Tsukino, I have made no mistakes, I don't use the Drake for L3s anymore, simply because if you don't use scourge, the Drake sucks. With scourge fury range reduces down to about 45km

I am not having any problems with any missions in the Ferox, and I only wanted to state how I was impressed with it now having room for 7 250mm rail guns. As the topic was about rail guns, not you EFT warrioring. You don't have to agree or disagree, but please do not assume.

We could go back and forth for eternity, and never agree on anything. I really don't care, each of us can do as we please. The facts I have used are not from EFT, they are directly from in-game.

for example: you say my Ferox with all 5s will do 35 + 25 with antimatter. In reality (not using EFT like you), I get 47 + 28km. And for damage I get 424dps with out drones

You've tried to pick apart everything I posted, but you should have read it more closely. You would have seen that I do make allowance for a prop mod, a TP, even a shield rech., on the Drake.

Why even mention how long my SB lasts and then turn around and say it's not important? It only gets pulsed once in a while or not at all. Yeah, I get w/e.

Your Drake set-up, OMG, you say with only 2LSE II, and no other rigs or mods to help with the regen, will tank 8+ battleships in a L4 . . .

. . . never gonna happen.

You know I"m done with this, my apology going out to Cipher7. I didn't intend to hi-jack your OP. I will say no more hoping it can get back on topic.

Jaz

Yes, I saw the kill mail. I didn't want to mention it as to not to embarrass you any further.

So you went up against a BS, with a poor set up for the situation, and thought you'd win? At what point did you feel hopeless, but stayed in the fight anyway? A set up that only put out 289 dps (all L5s for you.), and 80 hp/s regen? (You took a PVE set up into a PVP situation.)

I really don't use EFT, I mainly use the in-game numbers.

In your post you even put up a worse set up, and yet some how it can tank 8 battleships?

And now you assume I "don't understand the concept of falloff". Wow.

You're correct, something is wrong, very wrong.

Jaz

Tsukino,

If you look at #37 you will see that I said I had some helpful implants.

I will work at posting a screen shot of my Ferox. I could have tried it tonight, but I cloned-jumped into another clone that has some helpful missile implants for running level 4s. I have about 15 hours left so I'll shoot for tomorrow. I really don't run L3s anymore, I only went back to check out a Ferox to see how it would do.

These are my implants that I use for turrets, if you want to check them out and punch them into EFT.

SH603, MR703, MH805, RF903, and LH1003

With them I do better than all Level 5s.

You really need to not take things so seriously. Maybe if you cut down on the caffeine a bit. You started this mess, and now you're trying, and trying very hard, to vindicate yourself. I didn't realize that I would have to write a frackin book to explain everything,

Trust me I will, somehow, get you a shot of the Ferox in game, showing everything you don't want to see. I will also work at getting a screen shot out of EFT.


. . . to be continued.

-Jaz

You really don’t have to go to so much explanation. This is just too much drama. Please don’t feel that you have to teach me anything. I know more than you think, but I feel no need to write a thesis. I feel no need to teach or instruct my fellow EVE players. But somehow you must ache inside to get it all out or you will explode. Believe me, I am not impressed with your oratory, nor is anyone else. I have nothing to prove, especially to you. Hopefully, you head will just explode.

I went into EFT and punched in my data. I see now why you are puzzled. I’ve seen the same numbers as you. I cannot explain why there is a difference between EFT and the in-game fitting tool. You’re just going to have to believe me. Or you could train up your skills, get the same implants, jump in a Ferox, and then look for yourself at the numbers in the in-game tool.

Now that I’ve thought about it a little, I’m not going to play your silly game. BTW, I wasn’t comparing my Ferox to your Drake, I was comparing my Ferox to my Drake. I even have another clone with different implants, that I used for the Drake.

A quick re-recap:

1. EFT does not speak the truth. Why the difference, don’t know, don’t care.
2. Yes, I mentioned I had implants in post #37.
3. The ranges came from EVE’s in-game fitting tool, anyone could get the same results
4. I’m using faction ammo, and your using T2 ammo. I don’t need to go into any details.

Who knows maybe I will figure out how to upload a screen shot. I’d love to see the look on your face. I will work on it, but don’t hold your breath. On second thought please do.

-Jaz

I can fly a ferox, I just don't have t2 medium rails (for obvious reasons: they are terrible). I tried fitting it up just naked except the mods that relate to turrets and I get exactly what EFT tells me I will get.

Only time I've ever heard of someone getting something different than what EFT says without explanation is this case.

Do I need to point out that faction ammo is more expensive than T2? Or was that not your point?

I guess you fail. The cost was not the point, want to try again? The point was that you were comparing T2 ammo to faction ammo. T2 does more damage. And it looks like EFT was wrong.

Enough of that, on to the pictures. I think I figured it all out, hopefully you will now see and believe, and you can finally get some rest.

I do not expect or want an apology. Silence will be fine, and I will say no more, and this will be put to an end.

http://imgur.com/wtTMZlB

-Jaz

Love this new tool, thank you.

This one will blow you away:

http://imgur.com/PqyoQ5N

Tsukino, Tsukino, Tsukino . . . you've once again blabber things that everyone knows. We know damage gets reduced at farther ranges you silly twit.

Even now that I've show you the numbers, (guess EFT does lie), you cannot accept it, you're gasping for breath.

The first shot is with my clone with all the implants, the second one was taken in space with the Tracking Computer activated. So, still you keep assuming the wrong things. Time to just give it up.

I'm not embarrassed at all. Actually, I feel pretty good, 'cause I crammed it down your throat.

Even now, at the end, you still try to find fault, when the fault is in you.

Good bye and adios,

-Jaz

LMAO. Nobody can say you did not try.

I think once it clicks his forehead will have repeated meetings with his keyboard. LOL.

You silly Tsukino you. Falloffrange is obviously the same as Falloff.

IMO the error come from the infobubble on the loaded weapon in space which will show 47//28 ; the thing is that the first number is the range with optimale + falloff and the second one is optimale range alone.

Its a confusion.