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Drake Navy Issue Comparison
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Joyana Dakota
#1 - 2013-05-12 06:49:35 UTC
Hey,

I did some checking on the Drake Navy Issue against the normal Drake and sadly I do not see why the Drake Navy Issue is so much better, actually, it is less effective then the normal Drake.

I fitted them both the same and I came up with the following.

Dps:
Normal: 404.2
Navy: 368.5

Speed:
Normal: 175 km
Navy: 187.5

Range:
Normal: 44 km
Navy: 66 km

EHP:
Normal: 42360
Navy: 44787

Mass:
Normal: 14810
Navy: 13329

Cap:
Normal: 71.4%
Navy: 71.4%

Seems like this Navy Issue Drake isnt really worth flying and it damn sure ain't worth the price. Is CCP planning on changing some of the stats, I would think Navy Issue Ships would have some kind of benefit.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-05-12 07:41:24 UTC
It seems to me, that the problem might be less about the ship stats and more about you being terrible at making ship comparisons.
Kora Ethereal
Ethereal Beings
#3 - 2013-05-12 11:34:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kora Ethereal
The strength of the Drake Navy Issue comes from it's bonuses that negate the radius factors allowing you do do far more damage on a smaller ship (cruisers, frigates, destroyers, etc...). A 400 DPS Drake will do far less damage to a cruiser than a 350 DPS Drake Navy Issue.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#4 - 2013-05-12 20:46:02 UTC
I agree the Navy Drake will be more of a Dessy-Cruiser killer possibly even firgates then a BC and BS killer with almost the same tank as a BC. When you have that reduction in radius your missles almost hit as effective as lights against a frig but with more damage. Ive not really looked into shoot frigs, but cruisers (T3 Cruisers in particular) will be in the cross hairs of the Navy Drake.

The standard drake is used to kill ships of its class and higher, the nave issues is used to kill ships of its class and lower. If we do as you have suggested and boost the DPS of the navy drake to equal that of a standard, then we would have a ship that could wipe the floor with frigs, dessies, cruisers, BCs, and BSs. That is a bit OP IMO lol I think the navy drake is fine the way it is once you get past the idea of, "hey this is a frigate and im in a drake it will take forever and a day to kill him...oh **** wait im in the Navy Death Issue...bring it Merlin!" Big smile
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#5 - 2013-05-13 07:20:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
After looking at OP's comparison, I don't see anything about the Navy-Issue that doesn't make it attractive to fly. Only a slight reduction in paper DPS for a good boost in speed, longer range, reduced mass, more EHP and the same cap? That sounds like a good deal to me. I'd fly one.

For the record, I hate all Drakes. All the time. Forever.
Inna Cristiana
GucciGang
#6 - 2013-05-13 18:17:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Inna Cristiana
The navy issue has better long range damage projection and better tracking. It is also a bit more agile and can probably kite/speedtank better.
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#7 - 2013-05-14 04:20:43 UTC
Joyana Dakota wrote:

Dps:
Normal: 404.2
Navy: 368.5

Speed:
Normal: 175 km
Navy: 187.5

Range:
Normal: 44 km
Navy: 66 km

EHP:
Normal: 42360
Navy: 44787

Mass:
Normal: 14810
Navy: 13329

Cap:
Normal: 71.4%
Navy: 71.4%

Seems like this Navy Issue Drake isnt really worth flying and it damn sure ain't worth the price. Is CCP planning on changing some of the stats, I would think Navy Issue Ships would have some kind of benefit.


Literally the only field that the Navy Drake is worse than the standard Drake is DPS. You're also forgetting about it's bonus to explosion velocity, which means it'll apply more damage to things. Not to mention, it's faster, and has more EHP. And more range.

The ship that isn't worth flying and isn't worth it's price at all is the new Raven; go complain about that instead and see if they'll raise it's utterly abysmal EHP. And give the attack battleships 100MN MWD cap use bonuses. Big ones.
Xain deSleena
420 Enterprises.
#8 - 2013-05-27 14:39:39 UTC
The Drake Navy Issue ( DNI ) will never kill a Brutix Navy Issue ( BNI ) 1 v 1 ever... I think I will wait for the ship rebalancing in 2017 before I give up 'the real Drake' for one of these fly-swatters. A bit more DPS on the DNI would not hurt anyone but how it is now is meh.
Zeradn
Last Cartographers of Abyss
#9 - 2013-05-28 06:01:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeradn
The bonuses of the Drake Navy Issue makes even furies/rages viable. With the extended range, damage application is in a whole new level. Now we can happily forgo rigor/flare and focus completely on tank (though, everyone was doing so in the first place).

PS: Don't go EFT-ing me about the actual viability of furies/rages. I was just being dramatic about the improved damage application.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-05-28 06:12:04 UTC
Xain deSleena wrote:
The Drake Navy Issue ( DNI ) will never kill a Brutix Navy Issue ( BNI ) 1 v 1 ever... I think I will wait for the ship rebalancing in 2017 before I give up 'the real Drake' for one of these fly-swatters. A bit more DPS on the DNI would not hurt anyone but how it is now is meh.


The DNI is ideally built for an upgraded Podla Drake - i.e. a mid range kiter, which were always better in small packs. Expect them to kite at long point range and wear the Brutix down with their steady dps.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#11 - 2013-05-28 08:23:49 UTC
Xain deSleena wrote:
The Drake Navy Issue ( DNI ) will never kill a Brutix Navy Issue ( BNI ) 1 v 1 ever... I think I will wait for the ship rebalancing in 2017 before I give up 'the real Drake' for one of these fly-swatters. A bit more DPS on the DNI would not hurt anyone but how it is now is meh.


Perhaps not every ship is designed to kill every other ship 1v1. Try to understand the concept of specialization and having an intended purpose.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#12 - 2013-05-28 21:16:55 UTC
Xain deSleena wrote:
The Drake Navy Issue ( DNI ) will never kill a Brutix Navy Issue ( BNI ) 1 v 1 ever... I think I will wait for the ship rebalancing in 2017 before I give up 'the real Drake' for one of these fly-swatters. A bit more DPS on the DNI would not hurt anyone but how it is now is meh.


Go for a 1v1 and see that brutix die horribly. Kited to the end.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2013-05-28 22:28:38 UTC
Not wanting to rain on your kite parade, but the Navy Brutix is faster and more agile.



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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-29 06:06:03 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
After looking at OP's comparison, I don't see anything about the Navy-Issue that doesn't make it attractive to fly. Only a slight reduction in paper DPS for a good boost in speed, longer range, reduced mass, more EHP and the same cap? That sounds like a good deal to me. I'd fly one.

For the record, I hate all Drakes. All the time. Forever.


DNI is nice, people just need to learn and change their regular fits. Brutix looks pretty bad ass thou.

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