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Request for the Caille District Court to consider against the death penalty for Gerne Broteau
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#1 - 2013-05-12 14:26:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores
I am not a citizen of Caille's Federal district and therefore I have no legal (or moral) right to instruct the court in how it should proceed. This is therefore a request for a consideration, and not a unilateral request. Similarly, the Federation's justice systems answer to a higher principle than an individual's personal beliefs, hence this is more for the court to consider holistically when it comes to a final sentence. Thirdly, I could not find any hard sources as to whether or not Caille or Central Garoun permits the death penalty, thus this is written on the assumption that it does allow capital punishment.

Outsiders of the Federation criticize this union as having an attitude that sees itself as "better than everyone else", but I feel this is exactly the sort of attitude the Caille court should take in dealing with Broteau. By refusing to execute Broteau, Caille demonstrates that it is morally superior to the shooter, and rejects turning him into a martyr for his racist beliefs. The Federation was founded on the principles of post-racialism, and it is on that notion I implore that Caille, as a leading member of the Federation, should demonstrate that crimes to the contrary will no longer be tolerated. It should do this by sticking its nose up at Broteau's pre-spaceflight beliefs and make him forgotten by dumping him in a maximum security prison for the rest of his life. Caille should not immortalize him by execution, leaving an obituary for other racially-driven extremists to rally around.

The decision of the Caille district court, however, remains their decision alone, given the blood (the colour of which is the same regardless of ethnicity) that was spilled under their rightful jurisdiction. When final sentencing comes, neither the Federation Government nor other Federation members have the right to supplant Caille's decision.

S Inhonores
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#2 - 2013-05-12 14:30:09 UTC
I am unsure but was it reported somewhere that he was a clone trooper? So if you kill him does he simply go back to his clone? If that is case then I vote that you kill him once for every victim then take his brain out for the last one.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2013-05-12 14:35:55 UTC
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:
I am unsure but was it reported somewhere that he was a clone trooper? So if you kill him does he simply go back to his clone? If that is case then I vote that you kill him once for every victim then take his brain out for the last one.


For now, if I remember correctly, it was mostly Mr Soter's words stating so.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#4 - 2013-05-12 14:42:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
Request to consider against the death penalty for anyone.
Hakatain recently informed about a facility in the State where the decision to end a life sentence by suicide is left at the hands of the convicted. I think the Federation could learn something there.

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Akrasjel Lanate
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#5 - 2013-05-12 15:47:51 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:
I am unsure but was it reported somewhere that he was a clone trooper? So if you kill him does he simply go back to his clone? If that is case then I vote that you kill him once for every victim then take his brain out for the last one.


For now, if I remember correctly, it was mostly Mr Soter's words stating so.

Thats correct Mr Soter was the one that theorized about him being a clone soldier.

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Kytre Aurgnet
Better Hide R Die EVE
#6 - 2013-05-12 16:11:28 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:
I am unsure but was it reported somewhere that he was a clone trooper? So if you kill him does he simply go back to his clone? If that is case then I vote that you kill him once for every victim then take his brain out for the last one.


For now, if I remember correctly, it was mostly Mr Soter's words stating so.

Thats correct Mr Soter was the one that theorized about him being a clone soldier.

The thing is, if he was a cloner, he's have to have a clone available should he die, just like us. Considering he's a nationalist and thinking he's doing the best for the Federation, if he was a cloner and had clones they'd almost certainly be under government control...and they can terminate the cloning contract if they were to execute him.

I don't recall anything about him being a cloner, though, and if he was it would be big news, considering the general stance on the cloned soldiers...
Adreena Madeveda
Sebiestor Tribe
#7 - 2013-05-12 16:53:38 UTC
I know : Broteau is judged within the Federation, by Federation laws. His fate rests on Federation's shoulders, etc.

But this crime, as you may have noticed, made kind of a blip on many Minmatar's ladars. I suppose the fact that it resulted in the deaths and injuries of 360 Minmatar including a Ray isn't totally alien to our attention. You may also have noticed that we're a little touchy on that subject, and easily pissed off.

For what he has done, death is the rightful punishment, the just one. I'm sure a lenient Justice would give some Federation citizens a "holier than thou" satisfaction -at the cost of pissing off Republic citizens a little more. Again.

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Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-12 17:20:59 UTC
Despite feeling like there's more to this than just Broteau, I do agree with Madeveda. My concern, though, is that this will be rushed through and we'll lose any chance to find out who Broteau's accomplices (theoretical, granted) are.

Then we can turn our attention to other matters. Like justice for the tens of thousands who died at Colelie

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#9 - 2013-05-12 17:46:46 UTC
I am in agreement with Mr. Inhonores and speak for myself as well as all staff at the Federal Assistance Bureau by unanimous verdict that Broteau should be sentenced to life imprisonment and not the death penalty.

I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#10 - 2013-05-12 18:07:42 UTC
If they do choose to keep him alive, they should make sure he's kept in a run down prison colony on some asteroid in the ass end of nowhere where the vermin have more taste to them than the nutrition paste and spend the rest of his life working in an obsolete space suit mining veldspar by hand.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#11 - 2013-05-12 18:21:02 UTC
Constantly repeating that all victims were all Minmatar does not make it true by virtue of repetition. The original explosions killed members of the venue's staff. It is likely these personnel were of local ethnicity.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2013-05-12 18:24:52 UTC
Death might well be what the culprit is expecting, and was expecting when surrendering without any resistance. He might also have walked to his ultimate act by considering himself as dead already.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#13 - 2013-05-12 19:06:51 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Constantly repeating that all victims were all Minmatar does not make it true by virtue of repetition. The original explosions killed members of the venue's staff. It is likely these personnel were of local ethnicity.


Constantly stating "but some were gallente too!" doesnt make it a less touchy subject for us, nor diminish the impact this has had upon the Tribes.

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Kytre Aurgnet
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#14 - 2013-05-12 19:08:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kytre Aurgnet
Ava Starfire wrote:
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Constantly repeating that all victims were all Minmatar does not make it true by virtue of repetition. The original explosions killed members of the venue's staff. It is likely these personnel were of local ethnicity.


Constantly stating "but some were gallente too!" doesnt make it a less touchy subject for us, nor diminish the impact this has had upon the Tribes.

However, it does bring up the fact that it is also a Gallente matter, and not just a Minmatar matter as many seem to believe.
Magnus Ituin
Golden Ring Salvage and Industry.
#15 - 2013-05-12 19:42:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnus Ituin
Kytre Aurgnet wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Constantly repeating that all victims were all Minmatar does not make it true by virtue of repetition. The original explosions killed members of the venue's staff. It is likely these personnel were of local ethnicity.


Constantly stating "but some were gallente too!" doesnt make it a less touchy subject for us, nor diminish the impact this has had upon the Tribes.

However, it does bring up the fact that it is also a Gallente matter, and not just a Minmatar matter as many seem to believe.


I'm sorry for being upsett about my supposed ally is keeping us in the dark and feeding us ****. I'll try to be more understandbable next time you wish to point a finger and call us imature when we are mourning the leader of our tribe.

I dare you, keep acting like that to your own allies and you won't keep them long.

Magnus Ituin
Sebiestor Tribe
Kytre Aurgnet
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#16 - 2013-05-12 19:49:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Kytre Aurgnet
Magnus Ituin wrote:
Kytre Aurgnet wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Constantly repeating that all victims were all Minmatar does not make it true by virtue of repetition. The original explosions killed members of the venue's staff. It is likely these personnel were of local ethnicity.


Constantly stating "but some were gallente too!" doesnt make it a less touchy subject for us, nor diminish the impact this has had upon the Tribes.

However, it does bring up the fact that it is also a Gallente matter, and not just a Minmatar matter as many seem to believe.


I'm sorry for being upsett about my supposed ally is keeping us in the dark and feeding us ****. I'll try to be more understandbable next time you wish to point a finger and call us imature when we are mourning the leader of our tribe.

I dare you, keep acting like that to your own allies and you won't keep them long.

Magnus Ituin
Sebiestor Tribe

I seem to recall that one of the first things in this mess that occurred was the Republic demanding the shooter to be handed over to them. Not asking politely, not asking to help investigate...demanding he be given to them to have "justice" done.
And when they were told no, that an investigation had to be done, they sent a fleet out to invade Gallente space and forcibly retrieve him.

Some way to treat an ally...

Also find it interesting that the Republic is out for blood and causing so much death in the name of someone who advocated peace...
That truly strikes me as odd. It really does. If I was Matari, I would be looking for a peaceful solution in her name, not causing pain and suffering in her name
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#17 - 2013-05-12 20:05:59 UTC
The majority of the victims were Federation citizens. An unclear segment of that number include ethnic Minmatar. If the Sanmatar asserts that these Minmatar are also members of a tribe and thus fall under their jurisdiction, this means that the laws of the Republic are applicable to one-third of the Federated Union. That is unworkable.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-05-12 20:39:06 UTC
Personally, I've been quite fond of the death penalty.

Why should we give a mass murderer free room and board (if uncomfortable) for the rest of his life?

Though I am in no position to speak either. The ultimate decision should go to those close to the victims of this atrocity. Maybe a secret ballot on the matter?

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Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-05-12 22:49:34 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
I am not a citizen of Caille's Federal district and therefore I have no legal (or moral) right to instruct the court in how it should proceed. This is therefore a request for a consideration, and not a unilateral request. Similarly, the Federation's justice systems answer to a higher principle than an individual's personal beliefs, hence this is more for the court to consider holistically when it comes to a final sentence. Thirdly, I could not find any hard sources as to whether or not Caille or Central Garoun permits the death penalty, thus this is written on the assumption that it does allow capital punishment.

Outsiders of the Federation criticize this union as having an attitude that sees itself as "better than everyone else", but I feel this is exactly the sort of attitude the Caille court should take in dealing with Broteau. By refusing to execute Broteau, Caille demonstrates that it is morally superior to the shooter, and rejects turning him into a martyr for his racist beliefs. The Federation was founded on the principles of post-racialism, and it is on that notion I implore that Caille, as a leading member of the Federation, should demonstrate that crimes to the contrary will no longer be tolerated. It should do this by sticking its nose up at Broteau's pre-spaceflight beliefs and make him forgotten by dumping him in a maximum security prison for the rest of his life. Caille should not immortalize him by execution, leaving an obituary for other racially-driven extremists to rally around.

The decision of the Caille district court, however, remains their decision alone, given the blood (the colour of which is the same regardless of ethnicity) that was spilled under their rightful jurisdiction. When final sentencing comes, neither the Federation Government nor other Federation members have the right to supplant Caille's decision.

S Inhonores



But of course the death penalty is ok for any wrongdoing against the Federation but not for others.

*coughs*

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#20 - 2013-05-12 23:00:10 UTC
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:



But of course the death penalty is ok for any wrongdoing against the Federation but not for others.

*coughs*

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You seem fond of this argument that you've suddenly come across, clutching this tidbit like it's your golden ticket to any debate.

Eturrer's execution was a vile and degrading low point to the Federation. Even for a man who's treason caused the deaths of millions and put the heart of the Gallente people at risk with a State Titan looming over them.

It wasn't right then, it wouldn't be right now.

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