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So I was an idiot and started a duel (enjoy my sweet sweet tears)
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Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-05-12 14:01:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Why doesn't CCP make this clear in-game?



They shouldn't have to, its common sense.


It is not common sense. It may be common sense to those who keep up with CCP game mechanics, read forums, read dev blogs, and so on, but the majority of players do not do that, thus the majority of players do not know that "limited engagement" also included allowed podding.

...and even if it was common sense, my situation posted earlier in this thread already shows how pointless it is to retreat to a statement of "its common sense, so dont do it!"

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Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-05-12 14:26:20 UTC
Huh, I had no idea you could pod people in duels.

There should be two types of duels. One being to the death, the other not.

Then the game should really warn you if you're about to accept the former.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#23 - 2013-05-12 14:41:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
I did issue it on purpose, so I'm entirely at fault for the loss of my implants I forgot about.

Yes these are tears. Yes I am crying. Yes, you can, AND SHOULD enjoy them.

The duel feature needs a confirmation when issuing a challenge.

Secondly make it clear when issuing a challenge, that the other pilot is allowed to pod.

The feature does say "Normal rules" but it's not defined what that means.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19583379



Most duelists, I've discovered, won't pod you, for the risk that your clone isn't in-system. They want you to come back for more.
Lost two Rifters to a guy in Dixie, the other day. Neither time did he even attempt to lock my pod. It just doesn't make any sense to pod, after a duel, but the option is there for those who don't agree with my view.

And, of course, if you're dueling me, and I win, you never have to fear for your pod.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Danni stark
#24 - 2013-05-12 14:46:04 UTC
win duel, ransom pod for dueling prize.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Commander Blaze It
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-05-12 14:57:24 UTC
It's possible to lose pods in highsec now?
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-05-12 15:06:41 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
I did issue it on purpose, so I'm entirely at fault for the loss of my implants I forgot about.

Yes these are tears. Yes I am crying. Yes, you can, AND SHOULD enjoy them.

The duel feature needs a confirmation when issuing a challenge.

Secondly make it clear when issuing a challenge, that the other pilot is allowed to pod.

The feature does say "Normal rules" but it's not defined what that means.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19583379



Most duelists, I've discovered, won't pod you, for the risk that your clone isn't in-system. They want you to come back for more.
Lost two Rifters to a guy in Dixie, the other day. Neither time did he even attempt to lock my pod. It just doesn't make any sense to pod, after a duel, but the option is there for those who don't agree with my view.

And, of course, if you're dueling me, and I win, you never have to fear for your pod.



Maybe he simply didn't know he was allowed to pod you
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#27 - 2013-05-12 15:09:07 UTC
Max Von Sydow wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
I did issue it on purpose, so I'm entirely at fault for the loss of my implants I forgot about.

Yes these are tears. Yes I am crying. Yes, you can, AND SHOULD enjoy them.

The duel feature needs a confirmation when issuing a challenge.

Secondly make it clear when issuing a challenge, that the other pilot is allowed to pod.

The feature does say "Normal rules" but it's not defined what that means.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19583379



Most duelists, I've discovered, won't pod you, for the risk that your clone isn't in-system. They want you to come back for more.
Lost two Rifters to a guy in Dixie, the other day. Neither time did he even attempt to lock my pod. It just doesn't make any sense to pod, after a duel, but the option is there for those who don't agree with my view.

And, of course, if you're dueling me, and I win, you never have to fear for your pod.



Maybe he simply didn't know he was allowed to pod you


I think the fact that I was still blinky "blueish" to him should have made that plainly obvious. Judging from his attitude, before/during/after the fight, he really was just refusing to pod for the chance at a rematch. He was quite the good sport about the whole thing.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#28 - 2013-05-12 15:11:50 UTC
Leaving your pod on grid after any fight is just dumb.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#29 - 2013-05-12 15:13:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Your being challenged to a duel, not a slap fight... and you are using guns, not foils.

Typically in any duel with firearms throughout history it is to the death.

Thinking otherwise is a bit silly.

Furthermore, on a practical level, having a duel create a limited engagement is relatively simply and stays within the normal game rules without needed to code weird special exceptions for it. This is the only reason why we got them.

So yes, CCP might consider an extra line that REMINDS you that in a limited engagement your pod is at risk... but it is extremely unlikely they are going to alter the mechanic in any way.

Consider also, if they implemented a "no podding" form of duel somehow... think of the outrage when many participants simply pod you anyway and gleefully accept their loss to harvest your tears at the loss of your supposedly safe implants.

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Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-05-12 16:36:51 UTC
I thought it was simply a fight till a ship exploded without interference from concord or npcs. It's strange to think now, but at the time I assumed i could just dock up after the fight. I'm not against the podding in duals, but it needs a confirmation mechanism.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2013-05-12 18:04:50 UTC
Private Pineapple wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Why doesn't CCP make this clear in-game?



They shouldn't have to, its common sense.


It is not common sense. It may be common sense to those who keep up with CCP game mechanics, read forums, read dev blogs, and so on, but the majority of players do not do that, thus the majority of players do not know that "limited engagement" also included allowed podding.

...and even if it was common sense, my situation posted earlier in this thread already shows how pointless it is to retreat to a statement of "its common sense, so dont do it!"


Its not CCP's fault you don't read things. We all had plently of warning before the changes hit.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#32 - 2013-05-12 18:07:23 UTC
Came expecting to see epic implant losses.

Left disapointed.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Ckra Trald
Ckra Trald Corporation
#33 - 2013-05-12 18:10:24 UTC
i cried

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#34 - 2013-05-12 18:14:49 UTC
"normal rules" are indeed normal rules since pods have no special place in aggression mechanics anymore. If you have the right to fight you can kill the ship and the pod without concord intervention. Wardecs, limited engagements, suspects, outlaws etc - identical rules for all of them.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-05-12 19:16:40 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
"normal rules" are indeed normal rules since pods have no special place in aggression mechanics anymore. If you have the right to fight you can kill the ship and the pod without concord intervention. Wardecs, limited engagements, suspects, outlaws etc - identical rules for all of them.

True, but they warn you before entering lowsec, and ask for confirmation. At the very least they need an "Are you sure?" pop-up for dueling. Then they can just have a box that says don't ask me again.
rofflesausage
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-05-12 19:57:34 UTC  |  Edited by: rofflesausage
Quote:
A duel is an arranged engagement in combat between two individuals, with matched weapons in accordance with agreed-upon rules.


Once you're in the pod I always assumed that the duel was over too. What combat are you going to do in your pod exactly?

I don't care if podding is allowed, but it should to clarified in the popup. The fact it says "Limited engagement" only serves to confuse it. Limited to what exactly? I always assumed the destruction of the ship like the OP.

Bienator II wrote:
"normal rules" are indeed normal rules since pods have no special place in aggression mechanics anymore. If you have the right to fight you can kill the ship and the pod without concord intervention. Wardecs, limited engagements, suspects, outlaws etc - identical rules for all of them.


That's actually a bloody good point - I still think mentioning it in the pop up couldn't hurt though.
Lady Areola Fappington
#37 - 2013-05-12 20:21:17 UTC
I figured from day one, a duel meant pods too.

Why would someone assume pods are immune during a duel? I mean, it's EVE. Anything else would be WoWification.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-05-12 20:22:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Private Pineapple wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Why doesn't CCP make this clear in-game?



They shouldn't have to, its common sense.


It is not common sense. It may be common sense to those who keep up with CCP game mechanics, read forums, read dev blogs, and so on, but the majority of players do not do that, thus the majority of players do not know that "limited engagement" also included allowed podding.

...and even if it was common sense, my situation posted earlier in this thread already shows how pointless it is to retreat to a statement of "its common sense, so dont do it!"


Its not CCP's fault you don't read things. We all had plently of warning before the changes hit.


And? What exactly is the issue with putting in a small clarification to duel requests? Are you really arguing against putting in a simple "Podding is also allowed in this." clarification just so there's at least some text to prevent further confusion? If so, why? Simply saying "this is common sense" is not reason enough to withhold useful clarifications. I am genuinely curious why you are arguing against such a clarification. It does not hurt you and benefits other people who have a different thought process than you do and do not really follow up on other things like you do.

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Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-05-12 20:30:06 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I figured from day one, a duel meant pods too.

Why would someone assume pods are immune during a duel? I mean, it's EVE. Anything else would be WoWification.


It is unusual for podding to be allowed high sec. No one is arguing anything about "immunity" here. In nearly all cases (exceptions are wartargets and FW targets... and I'm not really sure but I think -5 sec and lower targets as well) podding was not allowed without Concord consequences.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2013-05-12 20:32:37 UTC
Private Pineapple wrote:


And? What exactly is the issue with putting in a small clarification to duel requests? Are you really arguing against putting in a simple "Podding is also allowed in this." clarification just so there's at least some text to prevent further confusion? If so, why? Simply saying "this is common sense" is not reason enough to withhold useful clarifications. I am genuinely curious why you are arguing against such a clarification. It does not hurt you and benefits other people who have a different thought process than you do and do not really follow up on other things like you do.


People have been getting podded in high sec for the last decade. We dont need a wall of text that nobody will read to tell us that sitting in your pod after a fight is a very bad idea.

Its simply not needed.