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ISBoxer and other Multi Boxing Software - Should it be banned?

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Jake Tzestu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-05-12 10:25:54 UTC
If you ban this then should you also ban programmable keyboards as they also complete multiple commands on a single action.

Once the ban hammer starts whos gonna stop it...?!?
Xayder
modro
The Initiative.
#42 - 2013-05-12 10:33:52 UTC
this topic again

I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main
Demolishar
United Aggression
#43 - 2013-05-12 10:56:48 UTC
Blob of 20 people with 20 ships is still better than blob of 20 ships controlled by isboxer. Assuming those 20 people aren't drooling idiots. Which is the general demographic of those who want to see isboxer banned.

Isboxer:
Can't really do combined arms fleets. 1 or 2 shiptypes at best.
If a char de-syncs from the rest, he's toast.
Can't manually fly. If you start double clicking in space, you will almost always accidentally click a celestial with at least 1 char and de-sync.
If reloads get out of sync, your guns stop working and you WONT notice.
If you get jammed, you will not notice and you can not easily re-lock.
Can't retreat single damaged ships, you have to move the fleet as a whole. If you start trying to do things like that you'll just get de-sync effects and lose ships.

A fleet of real people have none of these problems. Assuming the fleet of real people is operating at the best possible level of ability, and the isboxer fleet is also operating at the best possible level of ability, the real fleet will wipe the floor with isboxed.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-05-12 12:17:49 UTC
The Ninja Gizmosis wrote:
ISBoxer player basically Alpha striking their POS, I started to look into this and it does destroy the safety of High sec for carebears.


What a terrible lie. Also highsec isn't supposed to be completely safe.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#45 - 2013-05-12 12:38:06 UTC
The Ninja Gizmosis wrote:
I started to look into this and it does destroy the safety of High sec for carebears.
Good. Highsec needs to have its safety levels decreased a fair amount as it is.

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This is just like botting is it not?
No. There is no automation in it.

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So shouldn't this be banned?
Since it doesn't break any rules, no.
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#46 - 2013-05-12 12:56:02 UTC
Tippia wrote:

The Ninja Gizmosis wrote:
So shouldn't this be banned?
Since it doesn't break any rules, no.


Inner Space does break the client modification rule with the way it runs Inner Space extensions. That's how Team Security is able to detect some bots that use Inner Space. But considering that CCP isn't being very strict on enforcing the EULA (see the stance on cache scraping) I guess you can't necessarily base an argument around that.

The Nosy Gamer - CCP Random: "hehe, falls under the category: nice try, but no. ;)"
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#47 - 2013-05-12 13:49:46 UTC
Oh Gods, not this again. Seriously! Use the search function before you throw up another thread.

Also, no. There is literally no reason to.

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saltrock0000
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-05-12 13:57:47 UTC
this old thread again. I highly suggest anyone calling for bans goes to the ISboxer/innerspace website and takes them up on their FREE 7 day trial of the software. Get yourself educated in what it actually offers and then maybe you can formulate a well educated opinion on the subject worth sharing with others.

Programmable keyboards/mice pretty much offer the same advantage as this program. Ban one, ban all, and im pretty sure 99% of eve players have gaming mice and or keyboards.

Im currently training 10 alts to ISbox vanguard sites. If ISboxer gets banned that's £1790 CCP will loose ina year from just myself. Yes £179 for 12 plex, so 179x12 really does mean £1790. Now lets assume there are only 20 other people out there which do the same. 1790x20 = £35800. That's 1 high paid programmer, or 2 lesser minions yearly wages.

Lets be honest ISboxer nets CCP a lot of income. Controversial maybe, but still a increase in income.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#49 - 2013-05-12 14:06:59 UTC
The Ninja Gizmosis wrote:
the safety of High sec for carebears
Roll

Oh god.
Korvus Falek
Depraved Corruption
Lux Inter Astra
#50 - 2013-05-12 14:14:24 UTC
Devs have posted multiple times in multiple threads or blogs that ISBoxer is not against the EULA itself and have made it crystal f'ing clear that ISBoxer is not an exploit, botting, or any other kind of malicious software for EvE.

No, I wont do the legwork for you and link the mentioned blog, posts or anything else cuz youre too damn lazy to do it yourself.
Danni stark
#51 - 2013-05-12 14:17:19 UTC
didn't they also say they wanted to make things easier for multiboxers regarding setting up the ui and such things?

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-05-12 14:22:37 UTC
saltrock0000 wrote:
Yes £179 for 12 plex, so 179x12 really does mean £1790.


No it doesn't, it means £2148.

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Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#53 - 2013-05-12 14:26:00 UTC
saltrock0000 wrote:

Programmable keyboards/mice pretty much offer the same advantage as this program. Ban one, ban all, and im pretty sure 99% of eve players have gaming mice and or keyboards.


Really? If so, then why spend $15/90 days or $50/year for the program when you already have the same functionality? If CCP is going to allow Lavish Software to monetize their intellectual property like you want, Inner Space better be providing some valuable functionality. I'd hate to think that CCP would allow a company to come in and rip players off just to get a few more subs.

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Danni stark
#54 - 2013-05-12 14:28:23 UTC
Rosewalker wrote:
saltrock0000 wrote:

Programmable keyboards/mice pretty much offer the same advantage as this program. Ban one, ban all, and im pretty sure 99% of eve players have gaming mice and or keyboards.


Really? If so, then why spend $15/90 days or $50/year for the program when you already have the same functionality? If CCP is going to allow Lavish Software to monetize their intellectual property like you want, Inner Space better be providing some valuable functionality. I'd hate to think that CCP would allow a company to come in and rip players off just to get a few more subs.


because you're paying for the convenience of not having to set a bunch of macros yourself. just like i pay some one else to mow my garden when i already own a lawn mower.

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Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#55 - 2013-05-12 14:36:23 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
Rosewalker wrote:
saltrock0000 wrote:

Programmable keyboards/mice pretty much offer the same advantage as this program. Ban one, ban all, and im pretty sure 99% of eve players have gaming mice and or keyboards.


Really? If so, then why spend $15/90 days or $50/year for the program when you already have the same functionality? If CCP is going to allow Lavish Software to monetize their intellectual property like you want, Inner Space better be providing some valuable functionality. I'd hate to think that CCP would allow a company to come in and rip players off just to get a few more subs.


because you're paying for the convenience of not having to set a bunch of macros yourself. just like i pay some one else to mow my garden when i already own a lawn mower.


But there's more, right? Who'd pay what is effectively a subscription for something that basically only needs to be done one time?

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-05-12 14:40:30 UTC
Rosewalker wrote:
But there's more, right? Who'd pay what is effectively a subscription for something that basically only needs to be done one time?


Not everyone is able to do that, which is why convenient programs such as ISboxer exist.

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Danni stark
#57 - 2013-05-12 14:40:42 UTC
Rosewalker wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
Rosewalker wrote:
saltrock0000 wrote:

Programmable keyboards/mice pretty much offer the same advantage as this program. Ban one, ban all, and im pretty sure 99% of eve players have gaming mice and or keyboards.


Really? If so, then why spend $15/90 days or $50/year for the program when you already have the same functionality? If CCP is going to allow Lavish Software to monetize their intellectual property like you want, Inner Space better be providing some valuable functionality. I'd hate to think that CCP would allow a company to come in and rip players off just to get a few more subs.


because you're paying for the convenience of not having to set a bunch of macros yourself. just like i pay some one else to mow my garden when i already own a lawn mower.


But there's more, right? Who'd pay what is effectively a subscription for something that basically only needs to be done one time?


i think you underestimate how much people will pay to be lazy.

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#58 - 2013-05-12 19:04:06 UTC
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