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Midular shooter identified, appears in court

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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#41 - 2013-05-12 12:16:03 UTC
You all are missing the point somewhat ferociously. You have bought in to the story as presented and play into the Federations plan by falling upon one another and attempting to rip out eachother's throats. Consider this instead.

Agents inside the Federation wish to destabilize Federation and Republic relations. An assassination attempt against Midular is attempted but fails. The Republic crosses into Federation space but does not fire and leaves peacefully. An investigation into the assassin does not mean the Republic officials have to be kept out of the loop. But yet they are to further destabilize relations. Once the Republic loses their restraint and attacks, only then is the killer revealed. His purpose fulfilled.

Personally I could not give a **** if both of your governments collapsed. But it is the welfare of the civillians that spurrs me to action here. Stop this fighting amoung yourselves and realize what your own governments are doing you fools.
Bastian Valoron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-05-12 12:31:46 UTC
Since keeping the identity of this man from the public has already cost more lives than what he ever alone could have taken, and jeopardized the strategic and diplomatic interests of the Federation, I hope this nonsense will now swiftly be brought to a resolution which is satisfactory to all involved parties.

It should also be investigated whether the withholding of the assailant's identity for "technical reasons" has been a severe misjudgment or an intentional plot. The authorities behind the relevant decisions should be interrogated, their backgrounds should be checked, and if nothing is found, they should be fired for incompetence.
Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-05-12 12:49:12 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Tootenh'amon wrote:
Have you no sense of decency? 58 dead, 304 wounded, many of them Minmatar. I'd say that's still a pretty big reason to have an interest in the shooter. If you think we value the lives of our people so little, you really don't get our culture.

58 dead, 304 wounded, all of whom - with the exception of Karin Midular - were Federal citizens. So yes, the Minmatar would certainly have had social stake in the matter, but not a diplomatic one. The fact that one of the victims was a foreign dignitary most certainly does give you a diplomatic stake in the matter.

It does not give you carté blanche to invade our sovereign territory, kill our navymen and then blame us for not being forthcoming enough for your tastes.


It's not a matter of casualty numbers, it's about something higher, in the Minmatar civilization we have a concept called "respect."

Our nation signed up to be an ALLY not a COLONY.

You say we should learn to handle "no." That's not the language of allies, that's the language of child-care. Grown men are not required to take "no" for an answer.

If the Gallente cannot treat with the Minmatar people as an equal partner, then we have no future as allies.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#44 - 2013-05-12 12:49:41 UTC
Bastian Valoron wrote:
Since keeping the identity of this man from the public has already cost more lives than what he ever alone could have taken, and jeopardized the strategic and diplomatic interests of the Federation, I hope this nonsense will now swiftly be brought to a resolution which is satisfactory to all involved parties.

It should also be investigated whether the withholding of the assailant's identity for "technical reasons" has been a severe misjudgment or an intentional plot. The authorities behind the relevant decisions should be interrogated, their backgrounds should be checked, and if nothing is found, they should be fired for incompetence.


Yes.
Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#45 - 2013-05-12 13:45:38 UTC
Quote:

GalNet searches have revealed the Broteau frequented numerous anti-foreigner forums and frequently posted about his hatred of Minmatar immigrants, desire to remove all non-Gallente elements from the Federation, and admiration for the Black Eagles and Director Mentas Blaque. Before becoming the director of the Black Eagles, Mentas Blaque was known as an outspoken leader of the Sociocrats party, which has long espoused isolation and strict immigration controls for the Federation.

The Black Eagles have issued a statement in response to the findings, denouncing Broteau and saying, “The man does not, never has, and never will have any involvement with the Special Department of Internal Investigations and Federal Security.”


Expressing admiration for a Man and his Organisation is not the same as claiming to be a member of that organisation.

Strange that the SDII felt it was necessary for their statement to categorically deny that this man had any official connection to them or Federal Security. Then connect that to claims by Federal Officials that the identity of the shooter was being concealed due to National Security...

If the SDII intended to reassure people and reduce speculation with that statement, they failed miserably.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-05-12 13:59:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
So many Republican tears.

Perhaps we would allow you to have a say in this trial if you didn't invade our country hmm?

Nonetheless, justice will be delivered. However, this is a huge stain on Mentas Blaque's political career. Someone with similar beliefs as him is now standing in front of a court for mass murder. This is a good thing of course, the more we can discredit Mentas Blaque, the less likely we are to turn into a totalitarian regime.

I hope the Republic will remember this. Us going forth with the trial after their defeat at Colelie could not be a more humiliating punishment for their heinous crimes against the Federation.

Hmmm, speaking of crimes, Shakor is probably the next person who should stand trial. Colelie was like what, the fourth or fifth 5th time he breached the Yulai Convention? Clearly his government is not fond of honoring a century old agreement.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#47 - 2013-05-12 14:12:47 UTC
Perhaps if you had allowed us a say, no one had felt the need to resort to warships, hmh?

No comment on Shakor.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Sebiestor tribe
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#48 - 2013-05-12 14:16:57 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
So.

Why exactly could this information not have been released a week or two ago? What was the "national security" that demanded that it be kept, despite the rising emotions?


Really Elsebeth, I give you far more credit than the levels of density you've been showing as of late.

It's in the report itself as to why things had been kept quiet, you don't release details as an investigation is ongoing. What if he'd been part of a bigger group? What if it had links within the Republic and your obsessive need for details had caused them to be released and allowed said people to go to ground?

Come on, it's simple investigative work. Even you know how this stuff works when you're capable of thinking rationally and your judgement isn't clouded by emotion.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-05-12 14:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Perhaps if you had allowed us a say, no one had felt the need to resort to warships, hmh?



I cannot speak for why you were not allowed a say earlier on. That involves politics (and possible conspiracy) high up in the government that I can only speculate on. I was always supportive of a joint Federation-Republic investigation and trial, never one or the other entirely. However after Colelie, it is very obvious that the Republic does not share my opinion on this.

All I know, is that an invasion was not the answer to your demands.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#50 - 2013-05-12 14:19:51 UTC
It's so cute how the Minmatar accuse the Gallente of being insensitive to their cultural values in the same paragraph where they put their own values over the laws of the Federation and the values that caused those laws to come in to being.

Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:

You choose to conveniently forget the fact that the other victims where members of the tribes too, and also the fact that this was a crime committed with a motive against the tribes specifically. That makes it the Republic's business, like it or not. I am quite fine with negotiating with the Federation about how this should be handled, considering that laws and traditions conflict. The categorical denial that we even have a stake is offensive, however, and serves only as further provocation.

and once again the Republic conveniently forgets that they do not speak for the whole of the Minmatar.

Gabriel Darkefyre wrote:


Strange that the SDII felt it was necessary for their statement to categorically deny that this man had any official connection to them or Federal Security. Then connect that to claims by Federal Officials that the identity of the shooter was being concealed due to National Security...

If the SDII intended to reassure people and reduce speculation with that statement, they failed miserably.

There are plenty of idiots who take a lack of such a statement of uninvolvement as an implicit support of someone's actions. There's probably a government form for statements like that for agencies in all of the Empires.

Of course, an agency just can't win when denial is taken as evidence of conspiracy by other idiots.
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I hope to see justice served. Though I am no friend to the Gallente or their Federation, civilians should be protected and their attackers brought to justice. I can at least respect the Federation's integrity in continuing to seek to carry out an investigation by their laws rather than succumbing to Republic bullying.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#51 - 2013-05-12 14:29:05 UTC
There is talk of holding a celebration of Chief Midular's life. While I support this, it and any other respects will be secondary. Her procession has already passed.

Warships have carried her to her resting place,
Corpses have carried her to the pyre.
Cries for justice have been her eulogies,
A needless and angry silence her hymns.
A dreadnought's guns to light the kindle
and fires of hate carry her aloft.

I did not know her, I was in a coma while she did her work, but my heart aches for this passage. Perhaps this is fitting. She fought valiantly against the fires that have now consumed her in her passing. With so bright a soul, it is no surprise that the fires would be bright and hot.

May that fire illuminate our faults, so that we may see them more clearly, and correct those deadly flaws she strove to heal.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#52 - 2013-05-12 15:34:06 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Bastian Valoron wrote:
Since keeping the identity of this man from the public has already cost more lives than what he ever alone could have taken, and jeopardized the strategic and diplomatic interests of the Federation, I hope this nonsense will now swiftly be brought to a resolution which is satisfactory to all involved parties.

It should also be investigated whether the withholding of the assailant's identity for "technical reasons" has been a severe misjudgment or an intentional plot. The authorities behind the relevant decisions should be interrogated, their backgrounds should be checked, and if nothing is found, they should be fired for incompetence.


Yes.


That is precisely why the Villore Accords has taken the stance it has.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-05-12 17:15:07 UTC
Anybody with a whit of sense who thought about the actual shooting would realize that there's no way this could be the work of a lone shooter. Simultaneous explosions. Hundreds of people wounded, dozens killed. Perhaps a lone man could have done these sorts of things if he had attacked, say, a theater with minimal security. This was a major cultural event attended by major political figures. There is no way Midular attended without a very good security force, let alone the others.

So now we've got our lone gunman. He's a crazy one, too. Seems like the sort of man who froths away in the basement while composing screeds, not the sort who could singlehandedly pull something like this off. I'm not going to engage in idle speculation about possible accomplices, but I'd bet money that accomplices exist.

But hey, who cares, right? Now we've got a real argument going about the Federation not understanding the Republic, and the Republic invading the Federation. If I were a shady puppet master, and I wanted to orchestrate a split between two allies by orchestrating Midular's assassination, I'd be giggling like a maniac and congratulating myself for succeeding beyond my wildest expectations.

Speaking personally, though, I'm feeling pretty done with the Republic. Republicans complaining that they are misunderstood while justifying an invasion as an almost natural consequence of frustrated relations? Fine. I don't want them as allies, and I certainly hope Roden feels the same way. Let them stand alone.

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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#54 - 2013-05-12 17:51:19 UTC
Just give up Elsebeth. There's no point in trying to have a discussion with those whose minds are already made up.

It's clear that there's blame to be placed on both sides in this dispute, however, it seems the Gallente aren't willing to accept their share.

Oh well. The Caldari seem to want better relations with the Republic. Perhaps we should investigate that possibility, Heth's self-serving statements notwithstanding.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Kytre Aurgnet
Better Hide R Die EVE
#55 - 2013-05-12 18:02:45 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
Anybody with a whit of sense who thought about the actual shooting would realize that there's no way this could be the work of a lone shooter. Simultaneous explosions. Hundreds of people wounded, dozens killed. Perhaps a lone man could have done these sorts of things if he had attacked, say, a theater with minimal security. This was a major cultural event attended by major political figures. There is no way Midular attended without a very good security force, let alone the others.

So now we've got our lone gunman. He's a crazy one, too. Seems like the sort of man who froths away in the basement while composing screeds, not the sort who could singlehandedly pull something like this off. I'm not going to engage in idle speculation about possible accomplices, but I'd bet money that accomplices exist.

I'm just hoping the Broker isn't involved in this.
Kytre Aurgnet
Better Hide R Die EVE
#56 - 2013-05-12 18:06:26 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Just give up Elsebeth. There's no point in trying to have a discussion with those whose minds are already made up.

It's clear that there's blame to be placed on both sides in this dispute, however, it seems the Gallente aren't willing to accept their share.

Oh well. The Caldari seem to want better relations with the Republic. Perhaps we should investigate that possibility, Heth's self-serving statements notwithstanding.

In all honesty, I'm really hoping that relations smooth out over time between the Republic and Federation.

After all, if the Caldari become friends with the Minmatar they're going to lose their alliance with the Amarr very, very fast. And I have a fear that means the Amarr and Gallente would become "friends" out of necessity, and I'm sure neither side is very willing to work with the other just yet...
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#57 - 2013-05-12 18:32:53 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:

Oh well. The Caldari seem to want better relations with the Republic. Perhaps we should investigate that possibility, Heth's self-serving statements notwithstanding.


That is a dangerous route, politically, as said just above. Gallente-Amarr agreements are not unheard of through History, contrary to the popular belief. They were actually a lot more numerous than between State and Republic.
Tootenh'amon
#58 - 2013-05-12 18:45:57 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:

Oh well. The Caldari seem to want better relations with the Republic. Perhaps we should investigate that possibility, Heth's self-serving statements notwithstanding.


That is a dangerous route, politically, as said just above. Gallente-Amarr agreements are not unheard of through History, contrary to the popular belief. They were actually a lot more numerous than between State and Republic.


Possibly, but the State and the Republic have one thing in common- the desire for freedom and independence. Funny how the Gallenteans keep shouting freedom left right and center, yet they never had to actually fight for it.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#59 - 2013-05-12 18:52:48 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Just give up Elsebeth. There's no point in trying to have a discussion with those whose minds are already made up.



The irony.

But that's how you view alliances? One side refuses to give you what you want so you run crying into the arms of the first people to sweet talk you with promises and fair words?


The level of stupidity among people these last few weeks has known no bounds, it's like you want to torch the bridges intentionally.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Tootenh'amon
#60 - 2013-05-12 19:00:30 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
Just give up Elsebeth. There's no point in trying to have a discussion with those whose minds are already made up.


But that's how you view alliances? One side refuses to give you what you want so you run crying into the arms of the first people to sweet talk you with promises and fair words?



So that's how You view alliances? Denying the other party anything because you're in a better position and your ally "has to learn his place"?