Player Features and Ideas Discussion

My post was aimed at the OP.

I don't have anything to add to what you've said numerous times. I'm of the same mind.

I would tho, take it further and give self destructs an AoE damage modifier based on the ship size. Got the ballz to gang up on something you can't take out fast enough, then you better have a good enough tank to withstand it taking you down with it.

The entire point of EVE is to take things from other people. Wow, huge concept and hard to understand I know. Here is another one, humans don't like to loose...period. Nobody likes to loose (which is why this is turning into a threadnaught) but with the nerfing of cap ships and loss of drones they are now defensless vs smaller ships. They can't fight back without support, so if there is nothing to do but self destruct because they don't have support it ends in one situation: You try to take the cap ship from them, they try to take the cap ship kill mail from you and there is a 2 minute window to do it in. There is a 2 minute window to shoot that cap ship from the time it is started, if you don't have sufficient DPS you loose and if cap pilot doesn't have enough time he looses. Same result, which is why there is 2 minutes in the first place and not instant self destruct.

Why does everything they are obligated to earn a killmail by shooting something? There is no agreement in standard fights, you can attack at any time (non-consential PVP amirite?) and they can fight back, run, or self destruct but you have a 2 minute window. Its like "Soandso wants to shoot you!" and you click No, he tries again and you continue to click no. Where is this obligation to fight? There is none, cause you can attack at any time. So why do you think you deserve a record of your achievement that they choose to self destruct ? He is fighting back and shoving a **** pie in your face at the same time. They cannot logoffski and escape now that their buffers won't hold out, so in the end its comming down to ship destruction either by a gang or by self destruction (and post winter expansion, I bet there will be alot of self destruction which will reduce the number of cap ships to deny KM and later make it easier to invade because they won't have cap ships to replace in time). In the end, the ship is gone either way and KM does not need to be generated.

"Right now it's so that there is absolutely no drawbacks to ganking a miner sitting in a belt, and only something to gain"

My guess is that if someone made that statement in a thread complaining about buffing Hulks, that several of you would be in there telling them to "HTFU" and "quit whining, it's EVE" etc.

This **** works both ways. Sandbox is what it is, you just want to have CCP change the rules to force someone to play Eve the way *you* think it should be played.

SD should have a strong blast radius AoE so it becomes a valid blob tactic to fly a large ship in, draw them close, then SD to give a good number of them damage, at which point the rest of your fleet warps in.

CCP implemented security loss and concording in 0.0?
Miner was not paying attention, and the gankers did not bring enough. Thats it, but stop talking about drawbacks in this regard.

so yor reasoning why ganking a miner should have no drawbacks is he's knowing what he is doing. How is it different from your carrier ganker, who shoulb know that capitals can selfdestruct if you dont bring enough DPS?

we were talking about drawbacks, you have no consistent stance on that apart from simply wanting killmails - from what I conclude that was just another bullshitting attempt to back up your already weak argumentation.


yes please do this

if you want killmail bring more friends.


ok wonderful, you finally admitted there are no drawbacks in many parts of eve, no argument for anything at all.
So selfdestructing in your face to deny you the killmail and **** you off is one of them, thats fine. Bring more friends.
That silly "no drawback" thing is proven as invalid I assume...

a "fight"? You call killing a defenseless ship a fight? Once you go that far, there should be no killmails for ganks at all,
nothing to be rewarded actually.


benefit? What benefit? The guy just mitigated his loss, doesnt benefit at all.


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there are no drawbacks in many things, thats eve. And the last thing which should have any is selfdestructing HIS OWN STUFF!

stop trying to pick selective things which fit your crappy scenario, talk about the game as whole.
and security status as drawback?? trolololol, nobody is playing pvp in lowsec anyways (not even mentioning high sec), so its pretty irrelevant here and laughable anyways, go kill a rat in belt to level out your sec loss.

yeah, everything including selfdestruct.
In the same time I dont call ganks as "fights" and requesting "proper reward" for that laughable kills and I dont p*ss myself if someone was able to grief me back and selfdestrict in front of me, so what... Sad but happens, keep trying.

not giving away the loot and KM is a kind of, I would say... otherwise, noone would SD, would they??