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Plex for Dual character Skill training

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Steve Ronuken
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#1 - 2013-05-10 14:13:39 UTC
So... This likely to make it onto TQ?

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Rengerel en Distel
#2 - 2013-05-10 14:29:09 UTC
wut?

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Cerlestes
Veldspar Trading Company.
Veldspar Trading Alliance.
#3 - 2013-05-10 14:44:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Cerlestes
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
wut?


On the Test Server, there is an option to enable "Dual Character Training" for 30 days using a PLEX. This allows two chars of the same account to train skills at the same time.

Personally, I find this pretty awesome and handy, but I'd love to also be allowed to use both characters at the same time. I'm sure the login-system would require a major overhaul for that, but never the less it should be the logical consquence of paying two characters.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-05-10 14:48:47 UTC
Cerlestes wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
wut?


On the Test Server, there is an option to enable "Dual Character Training" for 30 days using a PLEX. This allows two chars at the same account to train skills at the same time.

Personally, I find this pretty awesome and handy, but I'd love to also be allowed to use both characters at the same time. I'm sure the login-system would require a major overhaul for that, but never the less it should be the logical consquence of paying two characters.

it is still cheaper and more convenient to just have a second account.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Cerlestes
Veldspar Trading Company.
Veldspar Trading Alliance.
#5 - 2013-05-10 14:51:26 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
it is still cheaper and more convenient to just have a second account.

Not if you just want to train another hauler/freighter-char. You'd have to pay for yet another account the whole time you want to use it. If you just train another char on one of your existing accounts, only the training time will add extra costs.
Johan Toralen
IIIJIIIITIIII
#6 - 2013-05-10 16:18:26 UTC
Cerlestes wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
wut?

Personally, I find this pretty awesome and handy, but I'd love to also be allowed to use both characters at the same time. I'm sure the login-system would require a major overhaul for that, but never the less it should be the logical consquence of paying two characters.


As awesome as that would be it's not gonna happen. CCP would shoot themself in the foot if suddenly you could play like you have 3 accounts but only pay for one.
The dual training is good to skill some specialized secondary chars for a limited amount of time that you don't want an seperate account for, like a trader, hauler or cyno and then save on the transfer costs to your paid accounts.
Sylvia Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#7 - 2013-05-10 16:40:00 UTC
This would be a great addition and would help people develop their 'utility' chars. Really hope it makes it into odyssey.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-10 16:46:14 UTC
This is a good change for EVE.

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Cerlestes
Veldspar Trading Company.
Veldspar Trading Alliance.
#9 - 2013-05-10 17:15:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Cerlestes
Johan Toralen wrote:
As awesome as that would be it's not gonna happen. CCP would shoot themself in the foot if suddenly you could play like you have 3 accounts but only pay for one.
The dual training is good to skill some specialized secondary chars for a limited amount of time that you don't want an seperate account for, like a trader, hauler or cyno and then save on the transfer costs to your paid accounts.


I think you misunderstood what I tried to say. I want to be able to use my second paid character just as I could use another paid account for the time it is fueled with PLEX. After that Dual Training period is over, of course I couldn't use it at the same time with another paid character on that account anymore.

What I proposed was just to move away from paying accounts with PLEXes to rather paying online-character-slots. So if you wish, you could put 2 additional PLEX into your account and not prolong your account's expiry, but rather enable 3 online-character-slot for 30 days. This in turn would allow you to log in all 3 characters of that account at the same time.

I think this would be pretty awesome for the players, since they'd only have to pay for one account to choose between three skilled chars after initial skilling is finished, but also good for CCP, because more people -like me- would absolutely buy at least a second character slot for a period of time to skill a new character. I would never bother getting a third account just for another hauler/freighter char, but this way, I'd really use 2-3 PLEX to skill me a char on my alt-account.
Sinq Arnolles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-05-10 17:20:24 UTC
Cerlestes wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
it is still cheaper and more convenient to just have a second account.

Not if you just want to train another hauler/freighter-char. You'd have to pay for yet another account the whole time you want to use it. If you just train another char on one of your existing accounts, only the training time will add extra costs.


Sure for limited cases like this it's useful but I can't see myself using it unless they changed it to 60 days per plex id probably just open another account.
Cerlestes
Veldspar Trading Company.
Veldspar Trading Alliance.
#11 - 2013-05-10 17:25:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Cerlestes
Sinq Arnolles wrote:
Sure for limited cases like this it's useful but I can't see myself using it unless they changed it to 60 days per plex id probably just open another account.


You would create another account, I wouldn't.
You can create and pay another account, I can't create and pay another character.

That's surely why CCP is adding this. They want to enable people who think like me in this case -and there are some- to exchange some extra cash for another skilled utility character that I don't have to pay for extra after skilling, because I simply wouldn't. Still, they can make some money from me this way and I'm very happy with it. I just hope what I proposed above gets implemented.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#12 - 2013-05-10 22:47:54 UTC
I'd love to be able to train skills twice as fast on my main... But I'll probably use this feature too.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-05-10 23:27:03 UTC
Cerlestes wrote:
Sinq Arnolles wrote:
Sure for limited cases like this it's useful but I can't see myself using it unless they changed it to 60 days per plex id probably just open another account.


You would create another account, I wouldn't.
You can create and pay another account, I can't create and pay another character.

That's surely why CCP is adding this. They want to enable people who think like me in this case -and there are some- to exchange some extra cash for another skilled utility character that I don't have to pay for extra after skilling, because I simply wouldn't. Still, they can make some money from me this way and I'm very happy with it. I just hope what I proposed above gets implemented.



This.

I've already gone through this once, where i really wanted to make another alt, but ultimately it didn't have to sit on a dedicated account. So I had to train him up and then pay 2 plex to transfer him to one of my other accounts.

Granted in that case it was a power of two so it was probably still cheaper to do it that way. But I have some alts I'd happily train for another month or two to round out their skills.
Mario delTorres
Praetore Im Picaro Ama
#14 - 2013-05-11 11:09:05 UTC
I don't know where did you found this option. I'm Mac user, maybe its platform dependent? :)
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#15 - 2013-05-11 11:20:49 UTC
This is great because I have characters that I trained up to a specific level and then "retired" from skill training. For example, one can fly certain pvp ships well and so is perfectly usable with those ships even though he will not become more versatile because he does not continue to train other ships.

But, with CCP releasing new skills and rebalancing ships all the time, the requirements for what I want this character to do have changed. For example, he should now have the Sensor Compensation and Armor Honeycombing skills. But I don't want to divert training time away from my main char on that account. So I will gladly pay a PLEX to give my secondary char an "update" and then just retire him again after one month.

Logging in two chars from one account at the same time would be terrible, both for CCP and for most players, and it will not happen.

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Cerlestes
Veldspar Trading Company.
Veldspar Trading Alliance.
#16 - 2013-05-11 11:40:37 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Logging in two chars from one account at the same time would be terrible, both for CCP and for most players, and it will not happen.


Why? It would be exactly the same as logging in two accounts at the same time, which the majority of EVE players seems to do.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#17 - 2013-05-11 14:48:14 UTC
Mario delTorres wrote:
I don't know where did you found this option. I'm Mac user, maybe its platform dependent? :)


Actually no, a lot of mac users who play EVE are under the impression that they are playing a native OSX client but...thats not true to be honest. CCP basically packaged a windows client into an emulator known commonly as Wine. This is then presented in a native format; however, many of the issues Mac users have with EVE is because ot Wine not interfacing the client with your system correctly.

I play on both mac and PC and when I use EVE voice on mac it doesnt work...its distorted. Well, thats because the Wine server is acting as a buffer between the client and the audio driver and thus allows only one way audio and that is output.

As for the Dual PLEXing...that is indeed an option on SiSi, it may not show on a mac since it hasn't been properly formatted for mac users yet. So you are both correct and wrong :)
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2013-05-12 12:27:51 UTC
Mac users play EVE?

just kidding. but I didn't know EVE on Mac is a giant WINE port. I find that interesting
YuuKnow
The Scope
#19 - 2013-05-12 13:15:35 UTC
I think this would be great on TQ.

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Lagoz
Lagazaria
#20 - 2013-05-13 08:19:49 UTC
I don't see much reason in this.

It's a lot more efficient to use two accounts and it allows you to do a variety of things compared to having 2 characters on one account.

Would be a nice treat for players who are paying the subscription though ;)
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