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War safe corporations idea

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Avalon Stormborn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-09-07 21:38:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Avalon Stormborn
Some people play only to go about their business without wanting to go to war or do PvP. I think there should be a system where you can pay a certain amount (Most likely a high amount) of isk when you start a corporation and once started, that corporation can never go to war, or be wardecced. It would be under CONCORD protection, so to speak. This corporation can never ever change the settings and will always be a non war corporation. The reason it can NEVER go to war is so that the system can not be abused.

By having such a system, players who enjoy the safety of a NPC corporation can now do it in their own personal little corporation instead. More people will be happy and be able to enjoy the game as they want to.

People who want to PvP and be involved in wars and the fun of PvP can join or stay in a normal corporation.

However, if you go into lowsec or nullsec, where CONCORD doesn't rule, you are still open to attacks. No safety there. So, basically, you will only be protected while you are in highsec. Much like it already works today. So, you can't go to war, but you will not be safe in lowsec or nullsec areas.

It may sound very carebear but some people just flee from PvP and it ruins their game. This is not a good thing, more players equal more money to CCP, which equals more fun for us in the long run.

People who like PvP and wars will most likely be against this idea, but, there will still be targets out there in corporations that prefer the drama and excitement of PvP and wars.

EDIT: Addition, such a corporation should not be allowed POS's or other structures which are usually contested in EVE. It would be very similar to an NPC corporation but with the possibility of some corporation things, like hangars.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2011-09-07 21:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
You don't want to be taxed? You want to put up a research/production POS? You want to bypass the contract/buy order/sell order limits? Make a corporation. However, such benefits should not come without risk. That risk is potentially being war decced.


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edit: I should also mention that "non-consensual player interaction" is one of the big selling points of EVE. You are at risk everywhere at any time in EVE... it's just a matter of "HOW MUCH."
Avalon Stormborn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-09-07 22:20:04 UTC
Hmm yeah. Good points. Maybe such a corp wouldn't be allowed a pos and whatever things people usually fight over. I've no experience with POS's myself so I couldn't take it into account.

But anyway, such a limit might actually be a good thing. Force people who want more income and discovery to join a regular corp. And the war safe corp would basically be a NPC corp with corp hangars. Sort of.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2011-09-07 22:30:23 UTC
Avalon Stormborn wrote:

But anyway, such a limit might actually be a good thing. Force people who want more income and discovery to join a regular corp. And the war safe corp would basically be a NPC corp with corp hangars. Sort of.



In which case, why not just stay in the NPC corp and get some cargo containers to sort stuff? That's what I do (they key is to making repackaging and sorting a habit).

People often see the making of a corporation as a "declaration" that you are a force to be known (be it in an economic or combat sense). In making a corporation, you MUST be ready to defend yourself for all the perks gained.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-09-07 22:31:13 UTC
ban npc corps
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-09-07 22:46:17 UTC
If you can't handle a wardec, you have no business running a corp. It's that simple.
Alxea
Unstable Pirate Sharks Of The Damed Sea
#7 - 2011-09-07 23:40:48 UTC
Avalon Stormborn wrote:
Some people play only to go about their business without wanting to go to war or do PvP. I think there should be a system where you can pay a certain amount (Most likely a high amount) of isk when you start a corporation and once started, that corporation can never go to war, or be wardecced. It would be under CONCORD protection, so to speak. This corporation can never ever change the settings and will always be a non war corporation. The reason it can NEVER go to war is so that the system can not be abused.

By having such a system, players who enjoy the safety of a NPC corporation can now do it in their own personal little corporation instead. More people will be happy and be able to enjoy the game as they want to.

People who want to PvP and be involved in wars and the fun of PvP can join or stay in a normal corporation.

However, if you go into lowsec or nullsec, where CONCORD doesn't rule, you are still open to attacks. No safety there. So, basically, you will only be protected while you are in highsec. Much like it already works today. So, you can't go to war, but you will not be safe in lowsec or nullsec areas.

It may sound very carebear but some people just flee from PvP and it ruins their game. This is not a good thing, more players equal more money to CCP, which equals more fun for us in the long run.

People who like PvP and wars will most likely be against this idea, but, there will still be targets out there in corporations that prefer the drama and excitement of PvP and wars.

EDIT: Addition, such a corporation should not be allowed POS's or other structures which are usually contested in EVE. It would be very similar to an NPC corporation but with the possibility of some corporation things, like hangars.


Another thing to point out is that this game is not wow. If you can't handle being wardeced then stay in a npc corp or this just is not the game for you. No place in eve is safe not even a 1.0 system and nor should it be. Eve is a harsh challenging place and should not be easy for ones who want it easy. This IS a PvP fueled game and shouldn't be turned into something it is not like a WoW game where you have nothing to lose. Everybody should be able to lose their stuff if they fly it and do and that is how it should stay.
Zenvan
Stimutac
#8 - 2011-09-08 05:07:28 UTC
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
If you can't handle a wardec, you have no business running a corp. It's that simple.



This, exactly, you're too safe in high sec already in my opinion.
Ranger64511
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-09-08 05:53:46 UTC
Zenvan wrote:
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
If you can't handle a wardec, you have no business running a corp. It's that simple.



This, exactly, you're too safe in high sec already in my opinion.


Couldn't agree more. Hi-Sec is already very safe. If you are war deced then go hide some where. Space is big and vast. There are tricks you can do if you don't like it. All a Player corporation does is just hide the tax that you might have or allows you to put up a POS. You can still fly with others without being in a player corporation still do the things you need to do. Combat is apart of the game and this game is by no means linear. if you just want to do industry there are groups out there that do it and do it in null sec where it's dangerous. But they have people to protect them so go join with them. This is EVE where anything can happen.

Avalon Stormborn wrote:
It would be under CONCORD protection


Oh you mean like how NPC players are? Oh wait they still get ganked in Hi-Sec. So being in this "Special" corporation would be more of an invite for me to come and gank you instead of decing you. I can almost promise you that those PVP players would turn into Ganking corporations kinda a new line of Merc work. So maybe this is a good idea......well...... I'm still saying....

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Zavulon Sukkot
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#10 - 2011-09-08 13:29:58 UTC
Avalon Stormborn wrote:
Some people play only to go about their business without wanting to go to war or do PvP. I think there should be a system where you can pay a certain amount (Most likely a high amount) of isk when you start a corporation and once started, that corporation can never go to war, or be wardecced. It would be under CONCORD protection, so to speak. This corporation can never ever change the settings and will always be a non war corporation. The reason it can NEVER go to war is so that the system can not be abused.


EVE may be the wrong game for those people, -1.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-09-08 15:46:03 UTC
OP has a point though, wardecs aren't wars in eve, its just a grief mechanic that is abused more then used for war.

war needs to be a commitment to both sides.
wardec cost currently are very cheap, which should not be so, if u need pvp u can go low/null/WH... war in highsec should be relatively expensive just to start with.

a grief corp will always win vs an industrial corp, so their only option is to dock for a week or however long the war will last, since its free someone can wardec someone else for months. there needs to be a win/loss condition and after one or the other is met the corp cant be wardecced again for x amount of weeks.

neut RR, and other BS tactics during war mean even if said indy corp gets a decent pvp force together and sees 1-2 lone targets chances are the enemy has an alt to RR them, which should never happen
Sigras
Conglomo
#12 - 2011-09-08 18:40:03 UTC
I think the complaints about war being used as a griefing tool against industrial corps could be corrected with a standardized system for hiring bounty hunters or mercenaries.
Anna Lynne Larson
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-09-08 18:51:41 UTC
NPC corps already exist. don't like the 11% tax? Suck it up.
Avalon Stormborn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-09-08 20:24:18 UTC
Anna Lynne Larson wrote:
NPC corps already exist. don't like the 11% tax? Suck it up.


No really, NPC corps exists? How do they work? This is an amazing discovery, thank you for sharing this spectacular news!
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#15 - 2011-09-09 03:35:57 UTC
Highsec is too safe already, npc corps should be restricted vastly more than they are currently. This post makes you wish there was a dislike button.
Avalon Stormborn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-09-09 14:00:46 UTC
How is it too safe already? Highsec is full of canflippers to trick newbies and suicide gankers to kill off those who're doing too well. It's full of people wanting to grief, and just this last week my old corporation was wardecced 3 times, to the point where we can no longer be in a corp as we're not PvP'ers. We're just guys trying to have fun together doing missions and mining. We can't go into lowsec because we wouldn't survive there.

And now you want to limit the only "refuge" we have? An NPC corp is only a big chatroom, we have none of the benefits of the rest of the game except not being able to be wardecced. Jesus Christ, gtfo out of here.

If you think NPC corps have it too good, go down to lowsec or nullsec where you belong and don't let us bother you anymore.
Alec Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-09-09 14:40:25 UTC
I personally think that wardecs should be on a bid.

Highsec griefers bid: 20m for wardec
Carebear corp bid: 21m for no-wardec

Carebear corp wins and no wardec happens.