EVE General Discussion

I did issue it on purpose, so I'm entirely at fault for the loss of my implants I forgot about.

Yes these are tears. Yes I am crying. Yes, you can, AND SHOULD enjoy them.

The duel feature needs a confirmation when issuing a challenge.
Secondly make it clear when issuing a challenge, that the other pilot is allowed to pod.
The feature does say "Normal rules" but it's not defined what that means.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19583379

Yes, podding can happen anywhere, at anytime. I am not arguing that the mechanics should change.

This thread is NOT about stopping someone from podding you, only how it's incredibly easy to click "challenge" by mistake.
My challenge was done on purpose, but I realized how easy it would be to make a mistake and click duel instead of whatever else is above or below it.

Just because something is fair, doesn't make it any easier.
Saying "Just don't click challenge" is a bad argument.

EvE has confirmations for leaving fleets, leaving corps, stealing from cans, shooting others outside of duels, entering low-sec, buying or selling outside of normal market value...

These things can't really be complained about anymore, because now it's entirely the players fault. They knew what they were doing and did it anyways.

I actually think podding after a duel, though not inherently "wrong" as a mechanic, is definitely counter-intuitive, as you're suggesting. It should be mentioned.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19583379 ejoy

Aww man, that sucks.

You can get podded anywhere and everywhere, its part of the game. Why should duels clarify this before the engagement ? You agreed to shoot and kill each other, this includes your pod as well.

In high-sec, podding universally meant you'd get Concorded except for FW targets and war targets and it had been that way for a very long time if not since the game's launch. So a "duel" in high-sec allowing podding without Concord intervention is very un-intuitive and unexpected to the majority of players so it should be clarified on the duel request.

In fact, I am always intrigued to see why some people argue the "against" stance on this kind of argument. The kind of argument where something could be clarified that benefits one party while doing nothing positive or negative to the other party, yet the person unaffected by the clarification feels the need to argue against it.

For example, in this case there should be a little line saying "Podding is also allowed during the duel." and the people who wouldn't have known that will know that now and cannot whine about it because the little line is there. The people who would have known that will simply read that line and go "oh yeah, I already knew that" and move on. So what's the problem? Clarifications are always a good thing because it causes less whine in the long run and lets people make the right decisions.

Unfortunately I think most people are just like that. They just hate clarifications if and only if THEY already know about it. It's so strange. Like this other day some new food vendor came up on campus and was selling pulled pork. That's what it said. On the sign it said it was selling pulled pork and offered these options:

- Pulled Pork, $X.XX.
- Any Side, $X.XX
- Platter! Get 1 Pulled Pork Sandwich and 2 Sides $X.XX!

I am very fond of eating pulled pork by itself and did not want the pulled pork SANDWICH, so I went ahead and ordered pulled pork expecting a small plate or container containing pulled pork. To my surprise I got a sandwich and there was a lot of confusion. Turns out they were only selling sandwiches. My friend came up to me and went "lol wtf was that? obviously they're selling sandwiches! it even says it on the platter." This really irritated me because:

1) Just because the platter is offering pulled pork sandwiches does not mean an individual "pulled pork" was actually a sandwich as well. The logic does not work here.
2) He said they should NOT put the "sandwich" at the end of the pulled pork, "because its common sense! it's right there on the platter option!"

So yeah, I don't really understand why anyone would argue against allowing a clarification go into that game that only benefits the players instead of harming them.

How did you manage to lose a pod in high-sec?

Although I am not sure I agree about podding after duels, I see how many people would find it odd. I doubt it will change any time soon though because CCP's new crimewatch was designed to be as simple and straight forward as possible. When you issue and have a a duel accepted all it does is issue a limited engagement with that person without any special circumstances. If you start adding in things like "if (my ship explodes) then {end limited engagement}" then your adding special circumstances. Something they spent a lot of time and effort to stop happening.

Look on the bright side. Now you know how it works, you will warp your pod off next time.

Edit; As for clarification. It does say in the duel box that your about to enter into a limited engagement... And you should really know what a limited engagement means.



He gets it.

If you lose your pod in low/high sec to anything besides an instslocking arty thrasher scrubs campingnstation you are terrible at this game. There aren't any bubbles and you instawarp! I mean the average babied high seccer doesn't understand that just
because rats don't pod doesn't mean anyone else doesn't.