EVE General Discussion

…so, much as expected, the change will lower the tedium and maybe change the barrier of entry (meaning you have more people to compete against, meaning being good at it matters more) and they've made advanced probing a bit more difficult (i.e. requiring more skill).

So it's pretty much the exact opposite of dumbing things down.

Probing was dumbed down in 2006 (or 2007-2008 i can't remember and don't care). Before that you needed skills to probe out stuff. This isn't really anything more than another step down the same road.

Not scolded no, but people at work tend to glance in my direction at the end of those business planning kick-off workshops when the chair ask if anyone has any last words or summing-up to offer…

No, some of them are just a bit broken in the current build. And with more competition, the need to be better increases.

Smartening things up.

They removed the option to launch 8 probes. It's not broken, it's by design. Advanced probing techniques use 8 probes. They removed DSPs, on purpose. They removed the option to leave probes behind, on purpose.

Good skills lost their meaning, you can achieve the same as all V scanner with basic modules, and training a lower multiplier skill.

Getting system sigs is automatic. Seeing new sigs is automatic.

Removing sig list makes wormhole anom running more tedious.

Really, the only good thing is the celestial bracket fix.

Fighting poor UI design is not skill.

Good points.

From what I've been able to gather from guys in W-space is that they belate the removal of DSP's and are annoyed by the fact that it's a pain to move individual probes when you want.

One click = seven probes was awesome.

Probe formations = Possibly good if we can make our own.

System scanner = maybe awesome. I can't get Sisi to work for some reason so I can't play with them myself.

Anyone that actually trained Astrometrics 5 is decidedly butthurt because with these changes, there's absolutely NO reason to have Astrometrics 5. CCP should hand out a pacifier that has Astrometrics 5 as a requirement, so we don't all drown in a river of tears.

Well I never got into exploration heavy, just like I never felt the need to do a POS for the same reason... it's not the smarts that is lacking (well at least in my case), I just really didn't like spending a whole evening moveing little boxes around, and the highlight of that was when someone asked "what are you doing? is that a math program?" ...um no it's kind of like math, accept it's a spaceship game and I am probing down sites... at which point I was alone in the room again... it was that interesting to watch...

I will have to try it on SISI, but I do feel the probe formations are a def improvement, as are the ease of movement, there are some people that can't do fine mouse adjustments also that needed to be considered... just think how people with health issues had to say... not for me...and I don't and have a pretty good mouse and still there where times, when I was slapping that mouse down on the desk in annoyance.

What I am hoping for is more people will get into exploration AND that the actual exploration contect is interesting and no just running around doing the open can thing... will see... IMHO it does look like it's going to be interesting, so I will give it a go once it's live.

The injection did what, launch a set number of probes and place them?

If that was the case why in hells name did not CCP just steal the idea and add it to the existing code, make a couple of extra buttons for the functionality and build additional shiny, shiny for the masses on that?

If CCP had gone this route, the on-board scanner would be the overlay scanner, it could list as well as show in space the sites below DED 3 rating, its not complex as the data is only retrieved once from the server and used twice on the client, this gives both don´t change and oh new shiny camps what they require.


additional thoughts:
The Ice belt changes, nice, but with the addition of grav sites to the overlay scanner a great opportunity has been missed by CCP. They have said that they are unhappy about asteroid belts on many occasions, but adding probed out grav sites to it is a mistake. What they should have taken the time and effort to do is make resident asteroid belts non static, given them a random spawn life time in system between 18 and 36 hours, with 30 minutes before exhausted/timed out sites re-spawn and have these and only these clearly visible and listed in the on-board/overlay scanner. This would have kept the value of the acquisition of all the skills and kept a side of exploration (finding stuff) as an addition to game play, keeping corporation interaction where other players skills add to the greater whole.

The addition to the overlay of all probable sites they say does away with deep space probes, lol, i see no Ships or POS´s listed, the inventiveness of the players (something HILMAR thinks adds to the game) have made unintended aspects of the probe to be used in useful game play roles and gives it the status of SANDBOX just like the humble jetcan, it greatly adds to the game, removing them actually may harm the game.

IMO adding non resident grav sites is like giving lvl 4 mission runners a very high damage smartbomb with a 100km range, no work or game play required, all bacon all the time.

And the follow-on skills still give bonuses on top of that, so the really skilled are still better off. Fancy that.