Player Features and Ideas Discussion

sounds very interesting this idea.... i support it.

But make a limit on how many charters a corp can have at one time and make it only available to corps not alliances.
Also the price for the charter should be variable based on the dimensions of the site and the ore types that are in it.
- the corps that are buying the charters should have some minimum requirements to be able to buy charters(other wise 1 man corps with 10 days old chars will pop all over the place and buy all of those not for trial accounts also).
- make some requirements to be able to keep the charter like if u don't mine at least this quantity of ore in 2 hours the charter will be revoked, this way u can ensure that the ore site wont be locked until who ever bought it decides to sell it or rent it or what ever, i`m saying this because if u can hold charter indefinitely u could use this to manipulate market prices by not letting anyone mine(this would not be a good thing).
- also make who ever comes in this sites thats not a blue or has mining rights there get a limited engagement timer against the corp that owns the site...that way the charter holders can shot at him but anyone else can't.

A very fascinating idea, and I approve strongly.

Regarding individual sites: "Belts" that hold only the Basic 4 ores (Veld, Scord, Plagio, and Pyrox) would be moved to anomalies, easily scanned by a passing miner without need for probes. Any other ores would be found in proper Gravimetric sites, though the size, distribution, and difficulty of scan would be appropriate to the ore content.

Belts would be static to given constellations. Grav sites would also be static to constellations, but would keep a respawn timer of 2 to 4 hours - this way, certain constellations could be given richer ore distribution than others, particularly those off of the beaten path.

@TheSkeptic: In actuality, you are just afraid of change. It is not at all one-sided. Those who scan the sites have the option of purchasing the charter from the empire faction they belong to, be it in highsec or lowsec. You can then sell the claim rights to others, or use it as bait to draw in targets, or mine freely - whatever you like! However, that does not prevent claim jumpers from coming in force, either to deter you from attacking them, or taking over your claim by force if you do engage them. The limited engagement or suspect flags still exist with respect to the claim jumpers, but if you can't muster enough force to drive them off or kill them, they have effectively disputed the claim, have they not?

Mining isn't generally my thing however on principle I disagree with the poster high sec shouldn't be an area of space you can claim resourse. I don't see the programing time used to put the charter system in place as worth the time to do it. That being said their are a few things the that some of the posters mentioned that i see as worth while.

Scanning down of mining belts: Why it would stop most botters to my understanding and add some diversity to the mining profession.

What i do think the high sec mining profession needs is some sort of defense system to help counter war decs.. and also a reason to stay in corp during war decs

My 2 cents

Was going to just let this die but since it's been bumped again I'll reply.

@Kiithnaras, not afraid of change, just against bad or one sided ideas.

@Kai'rae Saarkus, no tears at the hi-sec moons I look at... no ****s given aplenty though.

Suggesting a mechanic that flags miners for mining in a belt and has no way for others to challenge your claim isn't PVP. It reads more like 'please CCP give me fish in a barrel'.

Then suggest a mechanic. Also, the suggestion if not for all belts to work this way; only sites with higher grade ore that must be scanned down.

Ok, one thing you are ALL missing is this.

If you buy and sell "mining charters" then the random miner would be disallowed from EVER mining again... UNLESS they joined a mining corp.

I DO NOT want ANYTHING to do with a purely MINING CORP!!! I am a PVP'er.

I mine when I get bored or when my Corp wants to do a mining op or I happen to come across a mining mission I like.

Your charter idea would absolutely DESTROY all small scale mining.

AND... think about this.

Goonswarm for instance; a HUGE corporation; could go into EVERY SINGLE SYSTEM IN THE GALAXY...

... and buy up every belt charter in them and lock everyone of YOU OUT. Then SELL said charters for hundreds of trillions of ISK and make bank while YOU languish in poverty.

Your idea is stupid, and you did not think of the humans are evil factor.

NO!!!

+1 to this idea as a whole. Definitely make sure that there are some lower quality belts that don't have to be claimed so that A)Newbies and solo miners can still have a place to and B)Ore prices don't skyrocket astronomically. Maybe you could leave the normal complement of asteroid types in these open belts but have significantly smaller roid sizes compared to the claimable belts? For the claimable belts, I would do it like this: First, a belt must be scanned down like ice will be in the next expansion. In these claimable belts would be some kind of NPC claim unit. While the NPC claim unit is there, anyone can mine in the belt without incurring a suspect or combat timer, BUT belt rats will spawn(maybe even belt rats that are slightly stronger than current ones in order to provide incentive to claim the belt). In order to claim a belt, you must destroy the NPC claim unit and anchor your own. Then if someone tries to mine in a claimed belt, he/she will become suspect ONLY to the corp/alliance? which currently holds the belt. This will make it possible to mining corps to form treaties with other corps for mining rights and keep high sec pirates from legally killing miners who are 'blue' with the owners of the belt. If a belt runs out of ore or downtime hits, then it will respawn somewhere else(maybe in system?) and another NPC claim unit will spawn in it as well. On the other hand, an enterprising corp could destroy another corp's claim unit and anchor their own. There would probably have to be a timer between getting your claim unit destroyed and anchoring a new one to keep one corp from claim spamming. In this way, there is a greater opportunity for not only combat, but for diplomacy and teamwork as well. The respawning of belts would also make it significantly tougher for even large corporations to own all of the belts in an area. While this may raise ore prices a little bit, it would also create a bigger incentive for both combat and teamwork in high sec. Mining might actually be, *gasp* kinda fun.

tl;dr Anchor claim units to control belts. Not a 'true' suspect flag. Belts respawn eventually to give smaller corps a fighting chance. Moar pvp. Moar teamwork.

Why not? Just because some group may try to lay claim to everything?

No.

Basically you want to turn belts into mini-sov. You want to claim belts for yourself, go out to null.
Belts in Hi-sec belong to the empire it is in, not any NPC corp, so there is no NPC corp to buy a 'charter' from. And no empire faction would let you "charter" asteroid belt so only you have access because they need ready access to them (there are lore reason for the way things are set up, not just gameplay ones)
All this seems like to me is another suggestion to make hi-sec more like null.

The point of hi-sec is it ISN't.