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Please don't remove Deep Space Probes! - DEV Response requested

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Jacky Rho
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2013-05-11 02:14:14 UTC
+1, if thay take my DSP's i better well get stealth combats that don't show on d scan and a long rand probe. CCP you do remember that you have systems bigger than 32 AU... right? Ugh
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#102 - 2013-05-11 03:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Sentamon wrote:
Ganker tears best emergent gameplay.



you do know another part to the change is scan mods, right? Like stack up a buzzard with them and you as I am reading it gets almost virtue level performance. The gankers lose one trick, get another.

DSP's were really an out of empire thing. The gank crews in empire are getting if done right get very fast lock times and not having to pay for virtues to get it. if their owner is on the ball and fleet mates are half decent you get very little time from seeing probes on ov to seeing a tackle called on you.

It's taking away one gankers method and boosting another one. You actually want the dsp's in play and not the ghetto virtue buzzard that will cost less then 40 mil (vice whatever full virtues go for these days). Especially if you have done anything to be hard to find in your ship. Virtues made this is a viable setup. Not many shake and bake probers in empire or elsewhere are going to be virtue'd up. Soon, they won't have to.

I am not even a scanner and I hate this change. I am a pve'er who wants dsp low power scans. They find their uber BS carebears and go pop them leaving me in my hard to find tengu alone. I am looking at this change and basically enjoying the last days of hard to find tengu flying. Just can't decide what bs to replace it with.

The tl;dr....carebears get the shaft in this deal as well. Enjoy the tears...they will enjoy yours as a fresh new probe alt will be able to get lockable signals in record time not needing the SOE implants or the max skills currently needed for this.
Trader13
NOT A FRONT
#103 - 2013-05-11 03:43:24 UTC
+1

There is a fine line between stream lining a system and dumbing it down, I feel that DSP removal is skirting that line.

You're removing a useful tool people have invested a reasonable amount of training time to acquire without a solid reason or alternate method of replicating the functionality.
marlinspike von Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2013-05-11 05:04:03 UTC
+1 save the DSP's
Lea Swiftfoot
The Regency
The Monarchy
#105 - 2013-05-11 05:44:57 UTC
+1 from me.

While I personally don't use deep space probes, the fact that they are creating an expansion around exploration, and then getting rid of something that sounds so cool, just doesn't do it justice. sending probes 256 AU sounds like exploration to me. also if it takes 14 days to train it fully, then even if you apply probing for dummies to dsp's its still valuable, as well as you can add in a factor of mabey X1.3 loot from a deep space annomally? Something like that sounds completely interesting to me.
Gavro Faddon
Chaplygin Enterprises
#106 - 2013-05-11 07:01:11 UTC
I don't see how removing the Deep Space Probes will bring back the sense of "there's a whole Universe out there", the way I saw explained as a spearhead in coming expansions. I saw the scanning system as a new player, figured out that I needed the DSP's, trained for it, and had MY sense of achievement by finally being able to use them.

I figured out most of the other uses explained here and it even got me into WH-daytripping, because I felt saver with them fitted. I even decided to take my first steps in having a POS in W-Space because of this "chain-of-achievement". With Odyssey coming, I feel like my work has been for naught: I had just graduated from Eve-college and now they tell me my certificate is worthless and I have to go find another profession. That's how it feels. Now, I just want to drop the whole thing and go do something else in Eve.

They'd have to come up with a Real Good alternative to nullify this sense of injustice I'm experiencing. Getting good at Eve is tedious work, but I have persevered. Now you're taking away my achievement? Really? So please: let them stay. They are the hallmark of a dedicated scanner. It COUNTS for something if you can use these. Taking them away just lowers CCP's standing to me. In a virtual kind of way.

TL;DR - Just... don't do this.Attention
Onyx Nyx
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#107 - 2013-05-11 07:28:49 UTC
As a WH dweller and everyday user of Deep Space Probes, I hope that you do not to go through with this change because it is ridiculous and frankly daft.

While we are on the subject and something that annoys me slightly is that CCP seemingly hard capped the number of probes deployed to seven, not eight, nine or ten probes. Why?

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Galileo Ohaya
Tortuga Coalition 102
#108 - 2013-05-11 08:57:30 UTC
yeah, Living in a WH I want to keep the DSPs. They are way too useful for those who have taken the time to learn them and develoted the skill points to being able to use them.
General Escobar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#109 - 2013-05-11 10:46:50 UTC
+1 please do not remove them!!
Kiliv
Belt Raider Inc.
Wrecking Machine.
#110 - 2013-05-11 11:00:16 UTC
They are more useful than most people think, dont get rid!

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Apostrof Ahashion
Doomheim
#111 - 2013-05-11 13:30:27 UTC
+1
bump

too many stickies
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#112 - 2013-05-11 13:47:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
so yet another time no dev gives a f*ck about what players think and want? How surprising
kingchip randchip
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2013-05-11 14:08:45 UTC
Well, I guess CCP is finally giving in to dumb the game down.. Soon it will be like call of duty....



+1 trained 14 days for DSP for nothing lmao...
HonsjuPL
Ones Above
#114 - 2013-05-11 14:09:45 UTC
O lord dumbing it down.............


+1
Xavier Thorm
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#115 - 2013-05-11 14:16:38 UTC
If CCP isn't going to allow us to create our own probe formations, they should at least give us two groups of four probes so we can probe two things simultaneously.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#116 - 2013-05-11 16:07:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
if they arent going to allow us use our own formations, they should scrap their entire concept and leave us a working probing mechanism so long.
dont want and never needed formations of 7 f*cking probes, so I'm even required to have 7 of them in the launcher at any time I want to use them. wtf is this CCP? Finish your job and pls dont deploy half done stuff on tranq!
Will Ambraelle
Doomheim
#117 - 2013-05-11 17:20:22 UTC
+1

Do not remove please. even if they are a little redundant, they still have creative uses.
Kel hound
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2013-05-11 23:46:17 UTC
+1
save the DSP.
Apostrof Ahashion
Doomheim
#119 - 2013-05-12 10:37:36 UTC
bump
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#120 - 2013-05-12 11:51:58 UTC
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