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How are these C2 with C1-Hisec holes funding 20+ towers?
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Bloody Wench
#1 - 2013-05-11 06:20:57 UTC
It's got me baffled.

I don't see reaction modules, sometimes Labs though.

Where are they getting all the money for fuel?

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Drunein
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2013-05-11 06:48:33 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
It's got me baffled.

I don't see reaction modules, sometimes Labs though.

Where are they getting all the money for fuel?


My question is... why are you on the forums talking about towers.... and not in space, removing them?
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#3 - 2013-05-11 07:17:14 UTC
Drunein wrote:
Bloody Wench wrote:
It's got me baffled.

I don't see reaction modules, sometimes Labs though.

Where are they getting all the money for fuel?


My question is... why are you on the forums talking about towers.... and not in space, removing them?



I should be asking you the same question

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#4 - 2013-05-11 08:04:53 UTC
I would be interested to know the answer, too.

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Galileo Ohaya
Tortuga Coalition 102
#5 - 2013-05-11 08:38:10 UTC
I am in a C2, We have a hard time funding a couple of large towers with it. There just isn't the isk to be made. The anomalies don't produce much, not enough mag or radar sites to make a difference, the ladar aren't worth the bother, and shortly mining grav sites will be suicide. PI isn't bad, but at least in our WH, it isn't great.

So if they have more than a couple large towers, I'd suggest they are doing it just for fun. It is a game after all....
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#6 - 2013-05-11 08:51:19 UTC
If you are making isk only in your home C2, you are doing it wrong, or have a really ****** static.

Rolling a good static can produce as much isk as you have time to make.

Though I suspect that many towers you have seen on dscan are not online.
Cheesy Feet
The Hells Bells Club
#7 - 2013-05-11 09:56:18 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Though I suspect that many towers you have seen on dscan are not online.


As above - don't count towers, count force fields that way you ignore dead sticks.
grassy 420
Anoikis Equilibrium
Honorable Third Party
#8 - 2013-05-11 11:28:04 UTC
my guess loads of pi.. reactions and getting lucky with mags and radars. also farming the statics can give u a lil extra
Winthorp
#9 - 2013-05-11 12:44:41 UTC
I got very space rich bearing it up in a C2 (not this toon) if you stay in your C2 and think you will get rich though you are mistaken. You should never do your home sites in your C2 and farm the static.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#10 - 2013-05-11 13:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Dato Koppla
You'll see all kinds of ridiculousness in C2s, I've seen a C2 with a C2 static that had 2 carriers in it, as well as like 3 towers for the same corp all active. You can't reasonably make that kind of money in a C2, but some people do it just because they can.

Edit//
Well you could with a C3-C4 static, but theres no excuse for building 2 Carriers in a C2
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#11 - 2013-05-11 17:00:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Dato Koppla wrote:

Edit//
Well you could with a C3-C4 static, but theres no excuse for building 2 Carriers in a C2


In my very early days in wormhole space I came across a C3 POS with more than 11 capitals floating in the forcefield, system had a static null so there was me thinking "oh smart they are going to seed them quietly into enemy null space" then (for the first time) I realised you can't get capitals out of a C3 - I left that C3 a very puzzled person - none the least why someone would build not just 1 but more than 11 capitals in a C3.
AutumnWind1983
Reboot Required
#12 - 2013-05-11 17:39:48 UTC
Copying / Researching BPO's, T2 production and Reactions

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Kestrix
The Whispering
#13 - 2013-05-11 18:14:12 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:

Edit//
Well you could with a C3-C4 static, but theres no excuse for building 2 Carriers in a C2


In my very early days in wormhole space I came across a C3 POS with more than 11 capitals floating in the forcefield, system had a static null so there was me thinking "oh smart they are going to seed them quietly into enemy null space" then (for the first time) I realised you can't get capitals out of a C3 - I left that C3 a very puzzled person - none the least why someone would build not just 1 but more than 11 capitals in a C3.


Well some people will be staying in a wormhole as a temporary stay others might actually view their wormhole as a home, a permanent residence. To be honest if you never plan on leaving your wormhole voluntarily then is there really such a thing as too many POS or capitals? It all comes down to available ISK and how much you want to invest in your security. Also you can live in a wormhole but still operate in known space so one day you could be running sites in wormhole space the next incursions in hi-sec so it's not really possible to base a corps/alliances disposable income on the class of wormhole they choose to inhabit.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#14 - 2013-05-12 00:44:01 UTC
Kestrix wrote:
Rroff wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:

Edit//
Well you could with a C3-C4 static, but theres no excuse for building 2 Carriers in a C2


In my very early days in wormhole space I came across a C3 POS with more than 11 capitals floating in the forcefield, system had a static null so there was me thinking "oh smart they are going to seed them quietly into enemy null space" then (for the first time) I realised you can't get capitals out of a C3 - I left that C3 a very puzzled person - none the least why someone would build not just 1 but more than 11 capitals in a C3.


Well some people will be staying in a wormhole as a temporary stay others might actually view their wormhole as a home, a permanent residence. To be honest if you never plan on leaving your wormhole voluntarily then is there really such a thing as too many POS or capitals? It all comes down to available ISK and how much you want to invest in your security. Also you can live in a wormhole but still operate in known space so one day you could be running sites in wormhole space the next incursions in hi-sec so it's not really possible to base a corps/alliances disposable income on the class of wormhole they choose to inhabit.


The main reason it's dumb is because building capitals in a C1-4 is a sunk-cost, they can never leave the WH, sure they provide 'defence' but 11 capitals is ridiculous, a properly defended large tower and a decent sized active player base can keep out even the most dedicated low-class WH evictions unless the attackers are really hellbent on kicking you out (setting up their own tower, getting a huge fleet in over a week or so etc) and that might be the only scenario the capitals may come to use, even then its a longshot. Other than that what can the capitals be used for? Repping structures? Running sites? All in all its a bad idea, but that doesn't stop people from doing it. Just like people who run L4s in 10bil boats, sure it can be done and you may do them slightly faster, but all in all it's a bad idea, but once again, somebody is going to do it.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#15 - 2013-05-12 00:49:15 UTC
Having a ton of towers in a c2 is easy. You make all your money in c5s with your alts in caps, while the rest of you guys live in the c2.

No trolling please
Britta Nolen
Sama Guild
#16 - 2013-05-12 06:30:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Britta Nolen
They are problably running a T2/T3 manufactuing center. If that many caps are in there as well; it might be home to 100's of billions in terms of BPO's. Running such a large scale operation in lowsec attracts attention and nullsec is too inconvinient vs a highsec static. In terms of defense, C2 with C1 statics are very hard to achieve hole control on. C1 has a mass limit of 20t. It takes approx 50 jumps to collapse it.

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Drunein
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2013-05-13 05:56:14 UTC
lanyaie wrote:
Drunein wrote:
Bloody Wench wrote:
It's got me baffled.

I don't see reaction modules, sometimes Labs though.

Where are they getting all the money for fuel?


My question is... why are you on the forums talking about towers.... and not in space, removing them?



I should be asking you the same question


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Bloody Wench
#18 - 2013-05-13 07:11:22 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
If you are making isk only in your home C2, you are doing it wrong, or have a really ****** static.

Rolling a good static can produce as much isk as you have time to make.

Though I suspect that many towers you have seen on dscan are not online.


Cheesy Feet wrote:
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Though I suspect that many towers you have seen on dscan are not online.


As above - don't count towers, count force fields that way you ignore dead sticks.



Not my first day in a WH fellas. I have FF and towers ticked Roll

Also as stated, C2 with Hisec + C1 static, so they aren't rolling for farming.

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Seems like the most plausible answer. Cheers.

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Bloody Wench
#19 - 2013-05-13 07:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Wench
Britta Nolen wrote:
They are problably running a T2/T3 manufactuing center. If that many caps are in there as well; it might be home to 100's of billions in terms of BPO's. Running such a large scale operation in lowsec attracts attention and nullsec is too inconvinient vs a highsec static. In terms of defense, C2 with C1 statics are very hard to achieve hole control on. C1 has a mass limit of 20t. It takes approx 50 jumps to collapse it.

My .07 isk



Interesting.


Also I'd never thought about what it would take to close a C1, I've just always avoided them...hmmm.

There has to be a cunning plan in here somewhere.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-05-13 10:11:31 UTC
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