Science & Industry

They're not worth that much. Mining is a really terrible source of income unless you're multiboxing like mad. The upcoming expansion is going to make it less painfully bad though.



Why would you care about an industrial corp? There isn't that much money to be made in mining compared to just ratting. Perfect hulks with a perfect rorqual boost make about half what a bad vindicator pilot does. Why make an effort to mine as an alliance when you can just hire cheap highsec day laborers for pennies to get your minerals for you?




what the christ


e: Not that things aren't made in 0.0, they just tend to be capitals and BS. And they tend to be made by very small groups of rich players.

what do you mean if one can be found? just hit f10 set it to industry index et voila map of all the systems full of miners.

As a miner and manufacturer in null, I can state that you are dead wrong. Some of the strongest corps out there are the ones who support their industrialists. My corp has weekly mandatory mining ops, where we all show up to mine for the corp. Then the industrialists take the minerals and turn it into ships/modules which go back to the corp. So, you are wrong that miners don't contribute anything.

Well I've only gotten into EVE this month, but it strikes me that people and corps tend to give miners a wide berth because they're noobs. Mining is a great starting profession so that not only means gankers and griefers will always attack miners (free kill, no skill required whatsoever, don't even need a good ship, and often new miners think they can be AFK, obviously, because it's so mind-numbingly dull, something which griefers are only too happy to rub in) but also everyone involved in mining is carrying a big "NEWB" sign on their ships.

Considering corps tend to want to make money they're only interested in PvP and combat pilots who can protect their assets and ops. Of course the serious miners in low and nullsec who don't use barges or exhumers are making ISK billions so there's no incentive for them to invite newbs into that world, and every incentive to keep them out.

It's a real shame, lowsec or nullsec mining can be really tempting for new players, but in reality it takes years of skill training and hundreds of euros before you'll be ready for that. People who reside in lowsec and nullsec think they're teaching their prey some valuable lessons about PvP-readiness but in reality they're just territorial and taking the path of least resistance, having forgotten that even just training basic survival skills takes months/years for new players. EVE players often say "No really the smallest newb frigate can turn an entire fleet battle upside down!" but that's just cognitive dissonance: we like the EVE universe so we blindly accept that it comes with truly absurd game mechanics (ie waiting for skills). I don't see myself joining a corp or fleet warfare for years to come (I don't know how long the minimum requirement of 15M SP will take but I'm guessing years).

What I really don't get about EVE is how it's made so that you're better off NOT playing the game (only keeping your skill training queue filled) for the first months while you train up essential skills, but since I don't have the money to support such a bizarre hobby I'll actually make use of my playtime anyway and take the inevitable "educational" griefing as it comes. I also completely recognize that griefing and ganking is a valid playstyle (makes every game from Minecraft to DayZ more interesting) it's just a shame many try to actively be as douchy as they can be to new players.

It's my own fault really, I should've picked up EVE years ago, but I've always instinctively hated MMOs (and have always been proven right in that MMOs always suck and are always compulsion-based themeparks) because of their economical-compulsive properties and EVE only differs so much. Instead of active grinding you're just grinding passively (using your time) so it's at least a slight improvement over regular themepark MMOs.

Oh well, I've resigned myself to trying to have fun irrespective of the fact that I came to this game 10 years too late.

I'm not sure if you're trolling, or if you actually think this is normal and a smart thing to do.



Wrong on so many points already.


"Considering corps tend to want to make money they're only interested in PvP and combat pilots who can protect their assets and ops. Of course the serious miners in low and nullsec who don't use barges or exhumers are making ISK billions so there's no incentive for them to invite newbs into that world, and every incentive to keep them out."

What the christ do you think they're mining in? Titans? Exhumers are the best mining ships in the game.

"It's a real shame, lowsec or nullsec mining can be really tempting for new players, but in reality it takes years of skill training and hundreds of euros before you'll be ready for that. "

I count 30d on my skillplan to fly a competent Covetor. Again, do you think we're mining in titans?


"People who reside in lowsec and nullsec think they're teaching their prey some valuable lessons about PvP-readiness but in reality they're just territorial and taking the path of least resistance, having forgotten that even just training basic survival skills takes months/years for new players. EVE players often say "No really the smallest newb frigate can turn an entire fleet battle upside down!" but that's just cognitive dissonance: we like the EVE universe so we blindly accept that it comes with truly absurd game mechanics (ie waiting for skills). I don't see myself joining a corp or fleet warfare for years to come (I don't know how long the minimum requirement of 15M SP will take but I'm guessing years)."

There is no minimum SP requirement to enter 0.0. But please, tell us more about how things operate in this place you don't plan on going into for "years to come".

(My 6-month old alts have 12m sp)


"What I really don't get about EVE is how it's made so that you're better off NOT playing the game (only keeping your skill training queue filled) for the first months while you train up essential skills"

Whoever told you this was flat wrong.



"It's my own fault really, I should've picked up EVE years ago, but I've always instinctively hated MMOs (and have always been proven right in that MMOs always suck and are always compulsion-based themeparks) because of their economical-compulsive properties and EVE only differs so much. Instead of active grinding you're just grinding passively (using your time) so it's at least a slight improvement over regular themepark MMOs."


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In conclusion, this.

I rather hope null sec industry gets better buffs. I currently live in a WH at but plan at null life at some point. I can build cap ships, build all t2 ships, can use mining barges, and can fly a HAC with competent skills. From what I read in forums like these it makes me feel that all of my industry skills will be thrown too the side and I would only be useful when flying my HAC. makes me sad

If its CCP's intention to make mining more lucrative in 0,0 space, then its a fail.

The changes with summer expansion to scanning (or the lack of scanning) means that miners will no longer be able to mine grav sites in Nulsec.

The reason for this is that the new system scanner tells anyone where the gravsite is, no need for Core Scanning probes anymore. ( My 50mil ISK Sister kit is now going to be worthless, as are my scanning skills), meaning that cloaked hot droppers can now drop entire mining fleets without having to deploy probes. This is going to give the miners about 20 seconds to react to reds in system meaning that they are not going to get their slow mining barges safe anymore.

As far as scanning skills, it looks like those skills are only going to be useful for scanning down ships in the future.

Basicly what looks like a boost to nulsec mining and industry, is secretly a nerf.

Do you think that an Exhumer can align just like a ratting carrier can, nope, because it is mining a static rock and has 15 km range, bubble the gate, yeah works against nullified T3's. You tried to make a smart comment, but made yourself look a complete fool.

As others have quite rightly pointed out removing the need to use probes to find the grav site is a massive nerf to 0.0 mining, the reasoning behind it is of course that CCP wants to create a conflict driver around defending mining fleets, this may happen, but I rather doubt it for the majority of alliances, the only group that could defend their mining fleets is the CFC.

You think that intel channels are the answer, well of course it eludes you...

Quinzel said it better than I can, but I'll try~


Most people don't rat in carriers. And I don't think you can align out with sentries anyways.
~FLEETS OF NULLIFIED T3s GUYS~

It's a massive nerf to AFK 0.0 mining. Cry some more for me about how you can't just click that arknor and go AFK for 12min at a time. Also, the CFC isn't dumb enough to have ~mining ops~ with standby ~miner protection fleets~.




Seriously, does whatever ****** organization you fly with not use their intel channels? Are you in a renter alliance corp filled with bots, or do you just live in Dodixie?
God forbid you go "Oh, there's alot of activity around here, maybe I should watch intel and local so that I'll be prepared to dock when the time comes!"


e: Oh god he's an Executive Outcomes alt. I don't think he's trolling :cripes: