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Please don't remove Deep Space Probes! - DEV Response requested
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Mimiru Minahiro
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2013-05-10 19:05:26 UTC
Umm.... you guys know that removing DSPs actually make roaming bands more viable.....right? The removal of the 256AU d-scan is a good thing.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2013-05-10 19:11:05 UTC
Chandaris wrote:
These have a use in PVP, and you'll be killing some emergent gameplay mechanics that have been in use, by my alliance at least.

- When conducting highsec ganking, or trying to scan down larger ships running missions, we will often employ deep space probes..


Ganker tears best emergent gameplay.

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Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-05-10 19:11:16 UTC

+1 Trained for them for a reason. Use them continuously. You should feel bad.
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#84 - 2013-05-10 19:13:36 UTC
I just don't want items I got in my collection removed.

Remember last time you deleted stuff, CCP? it didn't end well.

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Scinndie
Perkone
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-05-10 19:14:22 UTC
DSP are a valuable tool for both site runners, and PvPers. I do not believe they should be removed.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#86 - 2013-05-10 19:55:42 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Ganker tears best emergent gameplay.


We don't cry mate, we adapt. Try harder :)
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#87 - 2013-05-10 20:09:51 UTC
The wormhole argument is moot, new wormhole sigs should show up on the sweep scan the second they appear, if you have sound on they even come complete with a "blip" noise.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Apoctasy
GentIeman Bastards
Something Really Pretentious
#88 - 2013-05-10 20:43:26 UTC
Use them for sites and, don't remove this CCP!
Amidia Zadel
Angry Birds Ltd
#89 - 2013-05-10 20:44:11 UTC
+1
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2013-05-10 21:10:26 UTC
Chandaris wrote:
A dev response is somewhat justified/needed.

This is a threadnaught brewing once the rest of the player base catches wind.. We don't like stealth nerfs.

Considering, so far, in several threads related to odyssey changes, the second Devs start receiving alot fo negative feedback, theyd rop out and dissappear, i doubt well get anything useful in response here besides "these chagnes are good, harden up, blah blah blah"
Tsubutai
Perkone
Caldari State
#91 - 2013-05-10 21:40:08 UTC
Supported. DSPs have a number of PVP uses and the new system scanner is not an adequate replacement.
uyguhb
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2013-05-10 21:47:27 UTC
i agree with the second and third points. the first just makes me laugh though. few things as comical as players calling ganking pvp...a highsec miner playing for a few months who doesnt know how dsp's work and gets killed because of it. then the ganker goes about his day acting like he destroyed the death star with a spitball. might as well be a 40 year old man punching a baby in the face. this is eve so go right ahead and seek entertainment. but stop deluding yourself into thinking ccp should go out of their way to give you more ways to pick on players far less skilled or experienced than you.
Roel Yento
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2013-05-10 22:16:50 UTC
Agree that dsp's should be kept for pvp purpose or allow combat probes to scan at 256au. The test server feedback post, ccp only talks about their pve use and fails to respond to tons of posts about their pvp use. Would be nice to at least know why there will be no substitu or why they want to move away from their offensive and defensive pvp use.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#94 - 2013-05-10 22:40:27 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Chandaris wrote:
A dev response is somewhat justified/needed.

This is a threadnaught brewing once the rest of the player base catches wind.. We don't like stealth nerfs.

Considering, so far, in several threads related to odyssey changes, the second Devs start receiving alot fo negative feedback, theyd rop out and dissappear, i doubt well get anything useful in response here besides "these chagnes are good, harden up, blah blah blah"


Actually, and thankfully, there has been a Dev response to this issue, and most of the issues that have been raised (7 vs 8 probes, no way to launch single probes, no list version of signatures, etc.) seem to be being reconsidered, along with the DSP mechanic.

If you pick through the latter third of the linked thread below, CCP Tallest gives his response to player input:

[url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=233600[/url]
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#95 - 2013-05-10 22:43:09 UTC
Roel Yento wrote:
Agree that dsp's should be kept for pvp purpose or allow combat probes to scan at 256au. The test server feedback post, ccp only talks about their pve use and fails to respond to tons of posts about their pvp use. Would be nice to at least know why there will be no substitu or why they want to move away from their offensive and defensive pvp use.


My honest believe is in agreement with one of the posters in the feedback thread, that the probe revamp itself was a bit of a rush job by Devs that don't actually spend any time truly wringing the scanning system out for all its worth. It's obvious they solicited no input up front, and therefore knew absolutely nothing about what was being done with probes beyond vanilla scanning.
Pell Helix
Aether Ventures
#96 - 2013-05-10 22:53:13 UTC
As a wormhole deep space probes are a core part of my game play. When scouting a system I can use a single deep core to scan the largest of systems without having to put a probe within d-scannable range of any potential hostiles.

It allows us to make use of the extended range of the probe as a way to not have our probes be seen on d-scan and for those of us who know how to use them it has become an important part of our scouting.

With d-scan being such an important part of wormhole space deep cores range makes them hugely useful and beneficial.

Please consider the emergent uses for deep core probes before you make the decision to axe them.

- A Wormholer
megamatt
New Eden Broadcast Network
Peace and Light For All
#97 - 2013-05-10 22:56:17 UTC
Wow, just, wow.

I was under the impression that DSP's were Mainly used for pvp, I know thats what I trained them for.

I cant believe these are being removed.
Caples
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2013-05-11 00:10:54 UTC
+1. Without my DSPs I am but a shell of a man.

Seriously though. Don't take them from us.
Athena Themis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2013-05-11 00:18:28 UTC
What a colossal waste of a skill. 14 days of training and there will be nothing to show for it.
Emeos
Half Empty
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#100 - 2013-05-11 00:28:42 UTC
Posting to show my support of OP. Deep space probes have a useful role in the game and should not be deleted.