EVE General Discussion

I had to kind of skim through the last 2 or 3 pages, they got very texty. Can we go back to using words like "trollface"! This is the first thread I have seen in a long while that needs a second TLDR.

Very nice arguments from all sides. I have however come to believe that the OP is correct, his logic and method of argument has indeed won the day.

I am going to go and self destruct all my PvP ships!!! well, both of them anyway, so that hey will be gone forever! . But they will still be gone. And from this day forward I will rat and mine and mind my own business in Eve.

If you see me out and about plz do not attack me, I am simply enjoying a more cultured and sophisticated version of the game then most others, that is no reason to attack me. But know this, if you do attack me and blow up my ship it is actually exactly what I wanted you to do! Hahahhaha, you have fallen into my trap of making me win Eve by falling into my clever trap of destoying my ship when I said that I dont want you to, but what I meant was that I really want you to!!! HAHAHAHHAAHAHA

CONFIRMING LOOT FROM WRECKS HAS NO VALUE


honestly, you expect people to still have a rational, logical, informed conversation with you, when every single reply you make is the equivalent of:

"NANANANANANANAN LALALALALALALALA IIIII CANNNNNT HEEARRRRR YOUUUUUUU"

get ******, troll.

I didn't read every post in this thread, but I did read the OP and some responses.

Let me start off by saying that I am a very old pirate player who roams primarily in null-sec. I'm not the best player, but I have been around the block and as far as I know, I'm one of the last pirate players who is still active and still in the trade. A good portion of the best pirates I've ever flown with have either left the game or left the trade because the trade itself is dying. My experience in the trade stems as far as 2004. I was in the first few pirate alliances (before alliance code) and have flown with majority of the famous pirate pilots and corporations you hear stories from.

The reason I have stayed true the trade (even with all 5 of my pirate accounts) is because it's fun. I never got into the whole alliance politics, fleet battles, mission running or mining because piracy fit me as a character IRL. No, I'm not a pirate IRL, but I do like to play vile competitive gameplay where it's not griefing, but fun player-versus-player activities that's unique. There is also the whole RP themes of playing a pirate (similar to a thief or rogue) that I like too.

Why someone like me might destroy your ship and your pod is because it's fun to play that role. It's fun to play the role of a pirate where we are either ransoming ships for ISK or destroying ships for loot. That's what we do as our trade or our class. It would be like playing a thief and stealing items from other players. If you took that steal skill away, then it's hard to justify our class as a true thief. Therefore, it's not necessarily about the value of items you steal as a thief, it's the act of simply stealing items. In example, the act of destroying your drake as a Pirate.

Besides my experience in EVE, I've played MUD's since the late 90's and all the MMO's on the block. Thus, I can totally understand both sides of the fence on what I do. Sometimes when I destroy a ship, the player feels pissed off and wants to quit the game. Sometimes they have fun and say, "GF" while going on their merry way. Everyone is different in some way and I have learned to understand every one of my encounters over the years.

For me, besides the act of ransoming or killing a ship, I also simply enjoy looting items. Very very MMO's out there have looting in their games anymore because of how players cannot accept loss like they used to back in the text-based days. Because of that, looting is also a big part of why I do what I do. Looting your Drake for example can lead to profit for me in my trade regardless if the final sale was 10 Million ISK or 40 Million ISK. It all adds up and the amount of time spent didn't cost me that amount of money to earn the final result.

To end, I understand your concerns. Just understand that everything from being in the trade to looting your dead corpse is all part of the ultimate EVE experience. That's what sets EVE apart from other games out there. I do what I do to relive that experience the same way every time like a drug dealing searching for that virgin high.

Your destruction is my high and I'm always in need of another hit.

It's real PvP. You can choose to be helpless by easy-buttoning PvE content instead of flying in hostile space ready for combat. I would question the gameplay style more of the person that 'checks the block' to breeze thru PvE rather than the people that understand the risks outside of high sec.

If 'playing' a game is checking some cheat sheet with what to tank, what to load, who is a trigger.....then fly into hostile space only fitted for that...the problem isn't with the pirates. They are actually PLAYING THE GAME. Moment to moment, risk versus reward.

I ask the OP the exact same question, really. What could you possibly get from such an uninvolved game effort?

What uninvolved game effort? Ratting? That's just a means to an end - a way to make in-game money.

Don't assume that that's all I ever intend to do.

As this thread has devolved into little more than back and forth flaming and other unproductive stuff, it has run its course. Locked.