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Please don't remove Deep Space Probes! - DEV Response requested
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Twistator
Slow Match
#61 - 2013-05-10 16:08:23 UTC
Please dont remove DSPs!
Lucy Alfrir
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#62 - 2013-05-10 16:28:04 UTC
I was just about to train for DSPs as they looked useful for all kinds of things, please don't remove em.
Sir John Halsey
#63 - 2013-05-10 16:46:46 UTC
Burn JITA!

On a more serious note, every explorer or people living in WH will be deeply affected by this.
CCP, Don't remove DSPs!!!

JH
Shinzann
Beast Cat Industries
#64 - 2013-05-10 17:06:36 UTC
Keep the DSPs! For the reasons my fellow WH residents have already explained way better than I could.
Celeo Servasse
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-05-10 17:12:28 UTC
Many great reasons have been expressed for keeping the DSPs. Would really hate to see them go.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#66 - 2013-05-10 17:20:01 UTC
Quote:
DEV Response requested


Because you're a special snowflake right?
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#67 - 2013-05-10 17:25:06 UTC
You bet I am.
Helios Aquiness
Perkone
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-05-10 17:33:04 UTC
IMO keep the probes but remove their ability to scan down players. Call me a care bare if you want but if you pvpers were half as good as you clame to be you wouldnt need to use DSP for pvp.
Carebear? Im a brony, motherf***er.
Din Chao
#69 - 2013-05-10 17:46:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Din Chao
What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?

HTFU?
HazeInADaze
Safari Hunt Club
#70 - 2013-05-10 17:48:02 UTC
Helios Aquiness wrote:
IMO keep the probes but remove their ability to scan down players. Call me a care bare if you want but if you pvpers were half as good as you clame to be you wouldnt need to use DSP for pvp.


or remove combat probes and have core probes locate ships too. That way players have to learn how to tell when probes are zeroing in on their position -- Call me a pvper, but if carebears were half as good as they clame to be, they would be able tell when probes are meant for them or someone else.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#71 - 2013-05-10 17:56:00 UTC
Din Chao wrote:
What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?

HTFU?


If these probes were being removed for a specific reason, sure I'd buy it and take it lying down. The drone/agression nerf was to combat people AFK missioning, for example.

To date, no reason has been provided for the removal of DSP's. They are hadly 'OP' in any way..

From a PVP scanning perspective, they are less effective than combat scanner probes. From a probing perspective and using the external tool I originally linked, it at best gives you a rough idea what you're scanning down, but is not 100%..

Neither of these are terribly unbalanced, or game breaking. These probes have just found a useful, emergent nich in wormhole defense, PVP scanning and PVE ..

It seems they have been removed without thought, or reason .. I think the only people in this forum are asking for is a good reason *why* they are being removed, or reconsideration of said removal if no good reason can be provided.
Helios Aquiness
Perkone
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-05-10 17:58:21 UTC
Din Chao wrote:
What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?

HTFU?


But its ok when pvpers do it right? Personally I dont care as I bail as soon as I see any kind of probe in a wh that isnt mine. 
Carebear? Im a brony, motherf***er.
gawrshmapooo
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2013-05-10 17:59:08 UTC
+1

Not okay with this at all. Evil

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#74 - 2013-05-10 18:17:51 UTC
Agreed. Removing dsp benefits no one and harms many.
Castor Narcissus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2013-05-10 18:27:10 UTC
Never used them. But I've reading a lot of complain in the test forums. Just wanted to had to the topic.

If you are going to remove them at least replace DSP with a feature that does the same using the skills that people had to train for it, since you are touching the scanning mechanics, it's a good time to do it now than later.
Din Chao
#76 - 2013-05-10 18:37:49 UTC
Chandaris wrote:
Din Chao wrote:
What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?

HTFU?


If these probes were being removed for a specific reason, sure I'd buy it and take it lying down. The drone/agression nerf was to combat people AFK missioning, for example.

To date, no reason has been provided for the removal of DSP's. They are hadly 'OP' in any way..

From a PVP scanning perspective, they are less effective than combat scanner probes. From a probing perspective and using the external tool I originally linked, it at best gives you a rough idea what you're scanning down, but is not 100%..

Neither of these are terribly unbalanced, or game breaking. These probes have just found a useful, emergent nich in wormhole defense, PVP scanning and PVE ..

It seems they have been removed without thought, or reason .. I think the only people in this forum are asking for is a good reason *why* they are being removed, or reconsideration of said removal if no good reason can be provided.

I agree, a reason would be nice. And maybe they have one. But I was responding to the majority of posts in this thread which are not "asking why," they are saying "don't remove them."
Din Chao
#77 - 2013-05-10 18:39:37 UTC
Helios Aquiness wrote:
Din Chao wrote:
What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?

HTFU?


But its ok when pvpers do it right? Personally I dont care as I bail as soon as I see any kind of probe in a wh that isnt mine.

I assume anyone in a WH is a "PVPer." If not, they're in for some surprises.
Vayn Baxtor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2013-05-10 18:42:16 UTC
Castor Narcissus wrote:
Never used them. But I've reading a lot of complain in the test forums. Just wanted to had to the topic.

If you are going to remove them at least replace DSP with a feature that does the same using the skills that people had to train for it, since you are touching the scanning mechanics, it's a good time to do it now than later.



Either that, or we'd might need a skill reset for compensation.

I am still confused as to why remove them now though - provided that is the actual intention.

CCP goes mysterious ways at times Big smile

Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all.

Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2013-05-10 18:49:42 UTC
Not sure why they are being removed. Although I don't use them often, I do use them.
BigCynoBoom
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-05-10 18:50:44 UTC
DSP should stay in the game, there is absolutely no reason to remove them.