Player Features and Ideas Discussion

captains always have the option of scuttling the ship.
i'm also surprised no one's really mentioned that by denying the killmail you deny your attacker seeing what your ship fit is which can also be strategically pertinent.

So what you're saying is that you should reward people who let themselves be trapped like that by allowing them to escape? Even as a pretty much full blown carebear that sounds as backwards as it gets. Hiding your fit on the other hand by self destructing would be fair game in my opinion, afterall you destroy the ship and the modules with it, why should that leave traces of your fitting with it.

Learning comprehension recommended before posting on forums like this. The person I quoted was talking about the stupid log off mechanics that allow your ship to escape if given enough time. For a game that's supposed to be hard on its players, you sure have lots of people defending the cowards way out tactics.

Simply put, if you've put yourself in the situation where you even consider self destructing your ship, you've already lost, man up and face it that you faced someone who did better than you.

Yes thi game is about "screwing over as many other people as you possibly can", but SD (and logoffski) is a too easy way to screw anyone. EVE is not about rainbows and unicorns but when you spend your time planning, catching shooting and so on you expect some fun and profit.



WCs has scan resolution and lock range penalties
Jump timers work for both sides and can be countered using simle tactics.
Dock timers ... well i also hate carriers agroing in dockrange when they feel safe but its not what we are talking about here.



Carrier is cheaper than tengu, triage carriers are often dropped on the battle field and can dramatically increase the fleets power. And if you manage to win and catch a carrier he just SD.
Kill titan with BS? Why not? Titan isnt a solo "ololo-hotdrop-small-gangs-ship", its a tactical anti-capital class vessel and should have a support fleet.

Of course, but think of this way, any given fight that leads to one side losing their ship or ships, has a winner and a loser.

You win decisively by killing the opponents ship yourself, with or without help.
You win by having your opponent with no option but to self destruct, thus denying you the possible loot from his ship.
You lose by self destructing your ship as again, you had no chance of winning the battle by killing the opponent.
You lose big time by having your ship destroyed by the opponent.

Which one of those has grounds for any kind of reward? The side that survives the battle, or the side that doesn't?

Let me guess, when you play FPS games, you're the type of player that jumps of a cliff and scream "yay I win" when someone's about to kill you?

Ah well, I give up even trying to explain how incredibly backwards it is to reward someone for self destructing over giving the reward to the player who puts the other player in the situation where they have to do so.

I'm not complaining. When I attack someone in game, they always have it coming either by being a wartarget, permaflashy pirate or then they initiate the attack. I don't even gank people or go looking for pvp specifically. To me, if I attack someone and that someone ends up dead, I've accomplished what I went out to do regardless if my shot killed him or if he killed himself. I'd have no problems with it if self destruction were means to cut the losses slightly by denying loot from the winner of the said fight. but like I've said time and time again, a loss is a loss and as such it should always end up as an obituary. In this game that's called a killmail. You want to avoid it, kill the other guy or avoid the battle entirely.

Still funny is that while you try to describe the game as harsh all the while wanting to reward the pansy who doesn't have to put any effort into right clicking his ship and choosing self destruct, going out for a smoke and getting back in time to warp out the pod. I accept the game being harsh for new and old players all the same, be it via ganking, scamming or whatever. I'm all for harsher punishments for silly actions. Being able to cop out from an embarrassing lossmail isn't harsh, it's the exact opposite.

In the end though, it's all the same to me. Someone blows up their own ship, I still get to laugh and you can bet I will consider myself the winner in that battle. Afterall what did I lose in the whole affair? Few rounds of ammo, he lost the whole ship and everything in it.

Your the one crying that its unfair and stomping your foot, demanding a killmail. Logoffski fix is to prevent getting away at zero risk to the pilot, self destruct is still destroying a ship be it you or him that removes it from EVE. SD works exactly as intended, to destroy the ship which will no longer be in EVE.

Who says its explosives? Overload the warp drive, don't vent / divert the energy, and BOOM! Like your computer, don't vent the heat and it melts down. In the case of a ship, the systems cascade and feed off itself causing a change reaction as the safety overrides are turned off.

Pod can get away if you don't bring a bubble in the case of Carrier, Dreads, or Rorqs that are not immune to ECM warfare/scrams or your HIC pilot was runnign script first and screwed up. So if the other guy did bring manage to get the pod away it would again be your fault lol. Plus, super caps work in Lowsec and hictors can run script so the pod can again get away. Nice try though with counter logic.


In WoT I currently just exit match when about to be killed, because it torques people off when they loose that precious +1 count by going boom just like you hate loosing a KM. Unlike WoT, in other FPS like CoD/MoH the difference between you and the other guy is the killing power of your gun, you both have the same amount of hitpoints and speed on foot (WoT also has a fail critical hit sysem, can spend expensive shells that just disseapper into nothing which can kill you as you take out the gay radio man who takes one for the team and you have a massive slow reload). WoT clumps up tanks like the Sherman vs post WWII tanks or tanks that never existed beyond blueprints that have thicker armor, better guns, more hitpoints, and more speed - its like facing that sherman up against an Abrams tank so guess which will loose? You just cannot win when their is a huge discrepency between your tank the the other guys so your role is to die to come gamer jock that thinks he is the next Great Rommel Patton. And by exiting the tank blows up, you acknowledge their superior skills tank stats that they can spend more time the eating Hotpockets then you. They really hate it when you do that because you are denying them experience and credits to move on to the next tank but unlike EVE you are also being denied experience / credits to move on to the next game because you are nothing more then a weak target. In EVE its "your own fault" for what ever sitation you got yourself into in WoT all you did was click "Start Battle" and get dropped into a battle where everyone drives the superior tank all the time (when the strongest tanks are supposed to be eatting so much credits to repair and replace ammo you should be loosing on a win, forcing you to stick with lesser tier tanks but that doesn't happen since WG cocked out and put in premium tanks that just print money on a loss) . Premium tanks don't bother me, but driving a vastly inferior piece of **** all the time at the bottom of the list annoys the **** out of me because everyone drives superior tanks all the time and you die so fast your are not really compensated for your time.

As for EVE, there is no honor or respect. You are not obligated to inform them you are taking their ship, they are not obligated to give you a killmail, you are not required to respect the guy when you pod him after paying the ransom, you are not required to be a nice guy when you steal some 1 week old newbs PLEX through a scam who just got interested in the game. See where I am going with this? SD a ship does not affect game play at all, its just flipping the bird and causing a reaction. Guess what, it works and you are whining about it. All you are whining about how its unfair, its dishonorable (EVE, game, RL please come to a consensus), and that you felt deprived of a kill. Well, you in turn where going to deprive them of a ship why should both sides get something when both sides can loose something?

to me eve is also a game of grief or be griefed.. So if one manages to deprive you of KM, he will do that, exactly as you would deprive someone of a ship, there is no honor in both cases. Why should this be one-sided?



a lot of lolz. Why not? Its a sandbox.



why?
You were scammed for 1b ISK. There is no mail about that or any other "proof", just the ISK the scammer got from ya.


I see very much logic in selfdestructing a ship in order to deny you the KM. Just because I can grief you back.

PvP... fair?

I lolled.

This would be the equivalent of limiting the number of ships who can aggress a single target.