Warfare & Tactics

Step 1. Remove player LP for capturing sites. “But this will mean that all the solo targets dry up?!? Wah!” Replace with chance of naval commander spawn and chance of faction loot drop to keep dem frigates in space.

Step 2. Player VP for a system is attributed to his Corp/Alliance. Corp/alliance gets benefits in terms of system control. “What benefits, null dun want jammers!?! Wah!” Null style upgrades to space for pve/industry. Outpost style upgrades to npc stations such as research slots. Or just giff jammers ffs so we can defend our moons from lol20titans.

or

Taxation. The ability to levy a tax on the indigenous people of your space fiefdom for the glory of the militia. Higher taxation increases percentage of capture points accrued by hostile plexing so be careful!

(Other ideas gratefully received)

LP for kills and missions seems fine to me. Main thing is farmers shouldn’t effect warzone control and that if a Corp/Alliance holds space they should be rewarded for that. Current system rewards null bear alts only.

What do you think, could something like this work?

Step one: change plex takin', boring PVE from being the only, sole way to control ownership of systems.

Because it encourages entities to claim and hold space rather than having vast swathes of the war one that no one cares about.

I would also love it to encourage infighting whereby the choicest systems are contested by intra-militia entities.

It would be different because it rewards organisation and planning rather than the efforts of stabbed scrubs.

The trouble is if you fly about in BCs you go through system after system of frigates in novice/small plexes. There needs to be a reason to fly bigger stuff, currently there's only

Current FW mechanics clearly favours hit and run tactics as well guerilla warefare which in my opinion is a feature and not a bug. Otherwise we would end up in FW with the same blob-none-sense as we already have in 0.0. From my experience, ad hoc kitchen sink fleet work much better in FW as "well coordinated" and "prepared" and "remote repped" fleets just because of their agility. Which again is a clear feature from my point of view. However, those organized fleeds clear excel the kitchen sink stuff once it comes to bunker busting, which however is a minor part of the FW-game.

So I think what the real problem is, that except for bunker busting there is no need for well organized fleets or even just heavy DPS ships. So maybe we just should think about how the current game mechanics could be improved so that organized heavy fleets have a bit more space in FW.

One possibility for this would be to allow the defending party to invest LP into a plex-stabilization bunker. Just imagine this: You are defending your home system and those nasty stabbed LP-whores are running the plexes. In such a situation you should be able to install at a plex a "stabilization bunker". This bunker should have let say 100.000 hit points and it should stop the counter counting up and down as long as it is existing outside in front of the plex. So the plex is basically frozen. However, new plexes should still be able to pop up. Which means that this system over time accumulates plexes in your system which on the other side means, once the enemy brings a "real" fleet and kills all the bunkers he can quickly use his force by distributing it along the plexes to take the system. This would encourage larger fights for important systems (nobody will spend LP on bunkers if system is not important).

What do you think?

Stated Problem: PvP is meaningless. All we're fighting in is frigs and Dessies:
Stated Solution: Remove LP, Taxation, Move resources from player to corporation,

WTF?? Surely there must be a more direct solution to solve your stated problem.

I think FW is currently great. If you want larger more organized fleets, then you need to move up the food chain. You can currently get that content in lowsec. If that is what you want, get into holding and destroying POCO and/or POSes. I don't think FW itself should offer this kind of content but rather the content should be lowsec based to include the lowsec pirates which are the most organized and competent groups living in lowsec. There is also nothing stopping you from participating in both FW and lowsec based content.

1) Cearain will be along shortly to derail your thread and chase everyone out of it.

2) At work so here is my copy and paste of ideas:

OK, here's what would be more direct proposed solutions to the stated problem:
1. Ship restrictions should work both ways. Cruisers can't cap Novice plexes, so T1 frigates shouldn't cap Medium plexes.
2. Moar unrestricted plexes.

Edit: At this point Cearain will pollute the thread with endless walls of meaningless text, so... o/

@XG - Your proposal would definitely help get bigger ships into space. However, it's weird. Also I'm not sure it would promote larger scale engagements.

I could go for much of what Zarnak proposes...