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Nullsec hunter-killers, please enlighten me

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Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2013-05-10 15:58:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Moneta Curran
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
HURR



I'll indulge you and focus on your elected finer point.

It should be painfully obvious, by now, that most commentators feel that your chosen metric for "winning" is a desperate attempt to somehow save your ego in the face of glaring defeat. Your perspective is widely shared nor respected.

If you do indeed usually take responsibility for taking a dump, please recognize that you are responsible for this turd of a thread you now wish to see closed. You have brought this **** storm of ridicule upon yourself.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#202 - 2013-05-10 16:01:07 UTC
Moneta Curran wrote:

I'll indulge you and focus on your elected finer point.

It should be painfully obvious, by now, that most commentators feel that your chosen metric for "winning" is a desperate attempt to somehow save your ego in the face of glaring defeat. Your perspective is widely shared nor respected.

If you do indeed usually take responsibility for taking a dump, please recognize that you are responsible for this turd of a thread you now wish to see closed. You have brought this **** storm of ridicule upon yourself.


Especially the part where he claims to be a vicious, bloodthirsty PvP gangsta, despite the fact he's lost a LOT of carebear ships.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#203 - 2013-05-10 16:03:47 UTC
Quote:
So I'll let any honest observer here (assuming there are any) be the judge of who is being honest and who is simply a troll.


Hi I've read most of this and I would have to honestly say the OP is the troll. Of course you will think I'm someone else's alt, that's up to you.

Not only do I think the OP is a troll, I feel he might be a little off in the head.

...
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#204 - 2013-05-10 16:06:29 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
Ryu Ibarazaki wrote:

This thread is now my favorite.


1. Trolls keep claiming X over Y.
2. Non-troll publicly bets Y over X.
3. Another troll appears, supports previous trolls, declares this thread to be his favorite.

Eve forums? Yeah, I guess I'm in the right place.


Dude

you got owned by a mining bot

in hisec

and you whine getting ganked ratting in null

I wonder how it feels to know the whole playerbase is laughing at you, and not with you

.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#205 - 2013-05-10 16:09:36 UTC
SmokinDank wrote:
Quote:
So I'll let any honest observer here (assuming there are any) be the judge of who is being honest and who is simply a troll.


Hi I've read most of this and I would have to honestly say the OP is the troll. Of course you will think I'm someone else's alt, that's up to you.

Not only do I think the OP is a troll, I feel he might be a little off in the head.


Saying he's a little off in the head is like saying Attila the Hun had minor anger issues :) .
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#206 - 2013-05-10 16:20:02 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
I like to know why other people play the game the way they do. I like to know their rationale, what makes them tick. What their motivations are. Why they do what they do.


This is where you arr lying and it's so painfully transparent that everyone can see it except you.

In 2 threads about losing ships you did the exact same thing; asked a question that's so insanely obvious that your true motivation (to rant against "senseless pvp") came across loud and clear.

You can dismiss me and this community as trolls if that makes you feel better about you utter and complete failure at playing the game and posting on it's forums. But you seem to have lots of emotional defense mechanisms (ie "I didn't lose, they lost because I didn't want that drake anyway"), and needing so many of those should tell you something about yourself and why you continually fail.

Either all that, or you are sencerely clueless about why people would shoot other people in a game about spaceships with guns.....

Either way, you've got a problem.


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Oh, but I beg to differ. I'm no victim here, and I'm no subject of ridicule. The trolls here - you chief among them - are the victims and subjects of ridicule, because with every word from your troll holes, you victimize and ridicule yourselves. I'm just eating the popcorn and watching the fireworks, and waiting for CCP to close this thread, if they ever bother to do so.


And again lying. Don't you know the whole "i'm really laughing at all this" stuff demonstrates your butthurtedness?


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Ah, but I've actually put my money where my mouth is, and invited anyone who believes I care to come get a few kills. I even promised you personally that I'd let you pop off a couple of noobships. I even gave you directions on how to find me, and how to avoid gatecamps and patrols along the way. So I'll let any honest observer here (assuming there are any) be the judge of who is being honest and who is simply a troll.


Of course you would assume there aren't any "honest observers", because in the mental fairytale you live in, anyone who doesn't agree with you is just a troll/bad person/wrong etc etc.

Multiple posters have explained your mistakes, both in game on on the forum (like the posters who pointed out how the way you start your posts leads to the conclusions that you do really care about the loss), yet you have not acknowledged a single one, as if EVERY single other person here is crazy and you are the only one who makes sense.

As i said about, all of this should tell you something about yourself. That it hasn't proves that you could use some help.
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#207 - 2013-05-10 16:36:26 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
Ryu Ibarazaki wrote:

This thread is now my favorite.


1. Trolls keep claiming X over Y.
2. Non-troll publicly bets Y over X.
3. Another troll appears, supports previous trolls, declares this thread to be his favorite.

Eve forums? Yeah, I guess I'm in the right place.



Yup.

Can I blow up some of your ships and pods to pad my killboard? Since they don't cost you anything I'm sure you won't mind if I farm you for a while?
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#208 - 2013-05-10 16:40:07 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Skex Relbore wrote:
Get out!!!

Seriously I'd purge you for being such a whinny twit if you were in my corp.

You live in null, you rat for isk and you takes your risks. That risk is that neutrals coming through are trying to kill you. It's ok though because we're trying to kill them too so it works out. If I were out roaming hostile space I'd be as quick to kill their ratters as they are to kill ours.

I lost two Ishtars today, one stupidly to rats by forgetting to turn on my tank before warping to an anomaly then a second while I was sorting that character out and I forgot to keep an eye on intel and missed the hostile gang that came through and got me. It happens, they're not the first ratting boats I've lost they won't be the last. As long as I can make more isk than I lose then it's just the cost of doing business, if I lose more than I can make then I change activities.

But you will not see me cry about it, hell some guys got one of my ratters a few weeks back and contracted me the corpse, I sent them an evemail congratulating them on the kill and thanking them for the laugh.

Basically lighten up, it's a game it's meant to be fun it just so happens that sometimes the other guy gets to win and that means you get to lose.

You gambled, you lost, simple as that. You should have warped out the second you noticed the hostile in local, you got greedy and stuck around to finish off that BS to make that extra mill isk and that cost you your ratting ship and clone, What should you do? You chuckle about it, send them a GF in local and try to make a better choice next time. I mean you would't accuse the other team of being psychopaths if they beat you in a basketball game would you? So why are you getting all bent out of shape because they beat you at spreadsheets in space?

You do realize the OPs mentality is the standard for most null bears right? Once again proving that the most risk averse players are null bears.



That's not fair! I love throwing ships away in null. It's actually fun.

When I used to mission and do things in highsec I hated losing ships.

Now, I have nothing else better to do with my isk.

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Asmodai Xodai
#209 - 2013-05-10 16:41:38 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:

Look, guy. The point is that you're deluding yourself into believing that you didn't lose anything of value, and are then using that delusion as the basis of an extremely faulty rationalization that, by getting blown up, you somehow "won".


Didn't say I didn't lose anything of value. Said that with insurance payout, and use of generic modules, I suffered minimal loss.

Checking my insurance payout online now, it was 48.5 mil ISK. Checking prices for new drakes in my nullsec area, the lowest price is 52 mil ISK, but prices are incredibly marked up out here. I don't remember paying anything close to that, as I bought my drake in Jita. Anyone there care to post the lowest price of drakes in, or near, Jita?

Furthermore, I stated that I believe people who go out of their way to hunt in this manner are losing more ISK than they are forcing me to lose, by foregoing more lucrative ISK money-making opportunities themselves. That's why I said I "won."

Now, I know it probably strains your brain, but do you understand what I just said? And do you understand how that's quite a bit different than what you said I said? Now, if you are not only fair-minded, but somewhat rational, and possessing a modicum of IQ (not saying any of those things are true, just saying "if"), can you see how the rationalization is not "extremely faulty?" Meaning, can you see how a reasonable person might somehow conclude what I concluded?

Furthermore, I wasn't just willing to state my belief. I acted on it, and invited anyone here who believes different than me to prove it, and put their money where their mouth is. In fact, I AM CURRENTLY ONLINE RATTING RIGHT NOW, IN THE SYSTEM I SPECIFIED EARLIER.

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There's also a bit of the-lady-doth-protest-too-much going on, here. You've spent pages and pages and pages trying to convince the world that you don't care about the loss of your drake, and that it's completely meaningless. The world can't help but observe that, for someone who allegedly does not care, you spend an awful lot of time talking about it.


Yet I didn't write most of what appeared here. Most of you did. I just keep responding to what you write. If you don't want me to 'protest' what isn't true, then quit making untrue statements, and actually back up with actions what your troll holes are spewing.

See how that works?
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#210 - 2013-05-10 16:42:01 UTC
Tanthos wrote:
It's podding that confuses me.

Blowing up other people's ships. I can see both the profit and the fun in that. But podding makes no sense. No profit. No challenge. And you can't mock them in Local once they're gone.



Not to mention they generally won't come back. I always thought podding was terrible if you want to continue fighting.

Podding is good for letting people know they aren't welcome.

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Drunken Bum
#211 - 2013-05-10 16:46:42 UTC
Op i dont have to waste my time hunting you down. After calling your own corps diplomat an ******* im pretty sure youve done the work for me. We are all obviously trolls here. Everyone. Youre the only sane and rational person among the hundreds of people laughing at you.

The guy that sells you your lsd, does he make it in his bathtub?

After the patch we're giving the market some gentle supply restriction, like tying one wrist to the bedpost loosely with soft silk rope. Just enough to make things a bit more exciting for the market, not enough to make a safeword necessary.  -Fozzie
Asmodai Xodai
#212 - 2013-05-10 16:53:02 UTC
Incindir Mauser wrote:

Can I blow up some of your ships and pods to pad my killboard? Since they don't cost you anything I'm sure you won't mind if I farm you for a while?


If you actually get off on blowing up noobships, and patting yourself on the back afterwards (one poster here seems to), come on down (I'm ratting now) and I'll give you 10 free noobship kills plus poddings to boot. Then I'll probably be bored with the exercise, so anything beyond that won't be free and you'll have to earn it.

If you think blowing up fully insured drakes (48.5 mil ISK payout, vs. 52 mil lowest buy in my area, lower than that in Jita I'm guessing) is worth your time, and worth your foregoing of more lucrative ISK, come on down, as I'm ratting right now (read back a few pages to get my location). These won't be 'free' kills, as you'll have to earn them, but if you are some elite PvP'er, I'm not so I'm sure you'll have reasonable chance of success.
Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#213 - 2013-05-10 16:57:06 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:

Checking my insurance payout online now, it was 48.5 mil ISK. Checking prices for new drakes in my nullsec area, the lowest price is 52 mil ISK, but prices are incredibly marked up out here. I don't remember paying anything close to that, as I bought my drake in Jita. Anyone there care to post the lowest price of drakes in, or near, Jita?



To get insurance, you paid a non-trivial amount of ISK, 14.5m. You deduct that from the insurance pay out - leaving you with a return of 34m. Now, the cheapest drake in Jita is selling for just under 49m.

That leaves you with a net loss of 15m on the hull alone.

Insurance did not cover your modules, which the killboard estimated to be worth around 40m.

That makes for a combined total sum of 55m in ISK lost.

Still with me?

Now, before you began calling everyone stupid, you were also arguing that you "won" because you made your foes lose time.

Please estimate the time it would take you to fly back to Jita, acquire a new drake, fit it and fly back to your precious ratting grounds. Now, deduct that time from the time it took your foes to gleefully blow up your ship.

Who won, Einstein?
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#214 - 2013-05-10 16:59:06 UTC
Since apparently my response may have been construed as trolling I will keep it plain and simple this time.

Hunters enjoy the hunt, not only the kill. Sometimes the kill is smaller then they would like, but they enjoy the process none the less.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#215 - 2013-05-10 17:08:28 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:

Checking my insurance payout online now, it was 48.5 mil ISK. Checking prices for new drakes in my nullsec area, the lowest price is 52 mil ISK, but prices are incredibly marked up out here. I don't remember paying anything close to that, as I bought my drake in Jita. Anyone there care to post the lowest price of drakes in, or near, Jita?

Furthermore, I stated that I believe people who go out of their way to hunt in this manner are losing more ISK than they are forcing me to lose, by foregoing more lucrative ISK money-making opportunities themselves. That's why I said I "won."


Which demonstrates how off you are.

By killing you instead doing "X" isk making activity, they are demonstrating that they don't care about imaginary space money, they care about kills.

Because YOU care about something doesn't make you automatically win when someone does something else lol. it's plain dumb, It's like saying I like Pizza and i ate pizza last night therefore everyone who had delicious fried chicken lost the dinner wars lol.

This demonstrates your basic intellectual problem: you can't grasp the concept of people not valuing what you value. Add in an unhealthy does of "it's all relative" and you end up in Asmodai Xodai fairytale land where a "minimal loss" for no gain on your part = "win".

Here is why you lost: They took from you things that, while you maynot value them, cannot be replaced or that would cost you time to replace.

You lost time (ie had they not showed up you would have continued ratting). You lost a ship that , while not expensive, is cheaper to buy in empire, forcing yo to choose between buying the more expensive null sec ship or going to empire thus expending more time. They cost you implants which may or may not be available in your region.

More than that, they affected you emotionally, because it is YOU posting about the kill, not them.

The every rational person, you suffered a lose then dug a deeper whole by crying about and then lying about crying about it.

In all cases you have no one to blame but yourself, if for nothing else but being to dumb to understand why people in a space ship video game would shoot you for little gain.
Quote:

Now, I know it probably strains your brain, but do you understand what I just said? And do you understand how that's quite a bit different than what you said I said? Now, if you are not only fair-minded, but somewhat rational, and possessing a modicum of IQ (not saying any of those things are true, just saying "if"), can you see how the rationalization is not "extremely faulty?" Meaning, can you see how a reasonable person might somehow conclude what I concluded?

Furthermore, I wasn't just willing to state my belief. I acted on it, and invited anyone here who believes different than me to prove it, and put their money where their mouth is. In fact, I AM CURRENTLY ONLINE RATTING RIGHT NOW, IN THE SYSTEM I SPECIFIED EARLIER.

Quote:
There's also a bit of the-lady-doth-protest-too-much going on, here. You've spent pages and pages and pages trying to convince the world that you don't care about the loss of your drake, and that it's completely meaningless. The world can't help but observe that, for someone who allegedly does not care, you spend an awful lot of time talking about it.


Yet I didn't write most of what appeared here. Most of you did. I just keep responding to what you write. If you don't want me to 'protest' what isn't true, then quit making untrue statements, and actually back up with actions what your troll holes are spewing.

See how that works?


Haulie Berry is trying to be cordial and helpful to you. Your response is to insult her. You are a piece of...lets say "work" (to avoid the ban hammer lol).
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#216 - 2013-05-10 17:12:25 UTC
Moneta Curran wrote:
Asmodai Xodai wrote:

Checking my insurance payout online now, it was 48.5 mil ISK. Checking prices for new drakes in my nullsec area, the lowest price is 52 mil ISK, but prices are incredibly marked up out here. I don't remember paying anything close to that, as I bought my drake in Jita. Anyone there care to post the lowest price of drakes in, or near, Jita?



To get insurance, you paid a non-trivial amount of ISK, 14.5m. You deduct that from the insurance pay out - leaving you with a return of 34m. Now, the cheapest drake in Jita is selling for just under 49m.

That leaves you with a net loss of 15m on the hull alone.

Insurance did not cover your modules, which the killboard estimated to be worth around 40m.

That makes for a combined total sum of 55m in ISK lost.

Still with me?

Now, before you began calling everyone stupid, you were also arguing that you "won" because you made your foes lose time.

Please estimate the time it would take you to fly back to Jita, acquire a new drake, fit it and fly back to your precious ratting grounds. Now, deduct that time from the time it took your foes to gleefully blow up your ship.

Who won, Einstein?


Don't you know, HE won because he wouldn't be "flying to jita to buy a drake" he would be "talking a stroll in the general direction of jita and while he was there he might get another drake because he didn't want that last drake anyways" (LOL).

He's not incapable of understanding loss, he's incapable of accepting loss because of all he emotional defense mechanisms whispering in his ear how he's the best and everyone else is just a big troll meanie.
Asmodai Xodai
#217 - 2013-05-10 17:14:16 UTC
Moneta Curran wrote:

To get insurance, you paid a non-trivial amount of ISK, 14.5m. You deduct that from the insurance pay out - leaving you with a return of 34m. Now, the cheapest drake in Jita is selling for just under 49m.

That leaves you with a net loss of 15m on the hull alone.

Insurance did not cover your modules, which the killboard estimated to be worth around 40m.

That makes for a combined total sum of 55m in ISK lost.

Still with me?

Now, before you began calling everyone stupid, you were also arguing that you "won" because you made your foes lose time.

Please estimate the time it would take you to fly back to Jita, acquire a new drake, fit it and fly back to your precious ratting grounds. Now, deduct that time from the time it took your foes to gleefully blow up your ship.

Who won, Einstein?


I won't go over your math or quibble with your numbers, because I'm just happy that someone actually presented some numbers to counter mine, instead of trollolololololol. So for what it's worth, thanks.

I will say that I have a hard time believing that my modules cost anything remotely close to 40mil, as the only thing I think I bought on the ship was shield extender IIs, the rest being crap I pillaged from wrecks (have hangers full of the stuff). But I'm not calling you a liar here, just saying the numbers that website is using are probably off. People sell junk pirate gear out here for ridiculous prices, so perhaps the website is using nullsec numbers.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#218 - 2013-05-10 17:18:50 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
I will say that I have a hard time believing that my modules cost anything remotely close to 40mil, as the only thing I think I bought on the ship was shield extender IIs, the rest being crap I pillaged from wrecks (have hangers full of the stuff).
“Minerals I mine are free”.
Yeah, no. Unless your fit was horrible, you lost somewhere in the region of 40M.
Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#219 - 2013-05-10 17:23:27 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:

I will say that I have a hard time believing that my modules cost anything remotely close to 40mil, as the only thing I think I bought on the ship was shield extender IIs, the rest being crap I pillaged from wrecks (have hangers full of the stuff). But I'm not calling you a liar here, just saying the numbers that website is using are probably off. People sell junk pirate gear out here for ridiculous prices, so perhaps the website is using nullsec numbers.


Those numbers may well indeed be off by a fair margin, they are likely an average. Nevertheless, arbalest launchers don't come cheap and you were carrying some loot there as well.

To get replacements cheap you have some bargain hunting to do.. which will only cost you more time.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#220 - 2013-05-10 17:24:09 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
I will say that I have a hard time believing that my modules cost anything remotely close to 40mil, as the only thing I think I bought on the ship was shield extender IIs, the rest being crap I pillaged from wrecks (have hangers full of the stuff).
“Minerals I mine are free”.
Yeah, no. Unless your fit was horrible, you lost somewhere in the region of 40M.


I dunno if you can post mails in here, but its easy to find this guy's death on EVE-kill.

Bottom line:
Total Loss at current prices:
88,229,356.00

He's basically trying to use an "opportunity cost" argument ie those other guys could have been making more isk doing something else so I win. He doesn't even factor in the fact that whle he was podded into the ext system he wasn't making any isk , he was spending isk (if on nothing else but his clone).