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[REMINDER] The great ship skill change of summer 2013

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#21 - 2013-03-08 16:31:56 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
according to eve mon with my current stats in order to get:
racial frigs (all 4) to rank 4
destroyer V
racial cruisers (all 4) to rank 3
Battlecruiser V

will take 44 days

I got time before the update? and those skills will give me all benefits right?


Yes, you probably have time. Get on it sooner than later at this point though; you're late to the game.

If you want to go all out, add to that Leadership 5, Warfare Link Specialist 4, and Command Ships 1. This should add ~10 days and will sneak you into CSs after the skill changeover.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#22 - 2013-03-08 18:04:20 UTC
Zhilia Mann I thought only ship skills were changed there are changes to those extra skills you mentioned or I can train them even after the update without a problem?

cause I'm still new player and got some support skills which I need before those you recommended.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#23 - 2013-03-08 18:40:39 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
Zhilia Mann I thought only ship skills were changed there are changes to those extra skills you mentioned or I can train them even after the update without a problem?

cause I'm still new player and got some support skills which I need before those you recommended.


Command Ships (the skill) is getting additional requirements (Armored/Information/Siege/Skirmish Warfare 5). It's a load more Cha/Will training, and it's usually considered an off-remap train for combat pilots. Hence the advice to sneak in the relatively short current prerequisites for the skill.

But if you're new, CSs are going to be awhile off anyhow simply because they're costly hulls that aren't entirely easy to use effectively. So you can skip that for later.

Also, we know that changes are coming to CSs themselves, but we don't really know what that will look like yet. It may make them more desirable but it could just as easily do the opposite. If you're still plugging away at critical support skills, I'd definitely consider skipping this part.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#24 - 2013-03-08 19:20:23 UTC
if I'll still have time I'll train the CS skills then.
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#25 - 2013-03-27 06:23:21 UTC
Imsopov II wrote:
Keine Arvok wrote:
I am concered about the Orca, barge, exumer and Freighter changes

I have trained the current requirement that bonus the ships role

however in this change i will lose the ability to fly the freighter as i do not have advance spaceship command V. i will also lose barge and exumer to the frigate skill

Also will adding ore industrial skill to Orca change or add role bonuses per skill?

I need more details to these changes than "if i can fly it now, i can fly it later"



I agree, needs more details. With freighters are they going to give us advanced spaceship command V or will we lose the ability to fly a freighter


Please clarify the part of "if you could fly it before, you can fly it after" you did not understand, and I'll try to explain it again.

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}

P0RKSW0RD
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-03-29 11:21:10 UTC
Hi Guys.

My question is about the T2 variants of dessy and BC how will these changes affect Command Ships and Interdictors?

Will there be a racial requirement for T2?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#27 - 2013-03-31 22:30:39 UTC
P0RKSW0RD wrote:
Hi Guys.

My question is about the T2 variants of dessy and BC how will these changes affect Command Ships and Interdictors?

Will there be a racial requirement for T2?


Interdictors of a given race will require racial destroyer 5 (just as, for instance, HACs of a given race require racial cruiser 5). Ditto CSs, though that's a little more convoluted. Read through my other replies in the thread on that topic.
NeXuS of Omni
The Great Balls of Fire
#28 - 2013-04-03 09:47:34 UTC
Hello fellow capsuleers,


I have a question about the reimbursement form... Where do I find it? Or will we get one on the release of the update?



"Doubt is brother deamon to despair, and doubt with us those who dare not dare"
-Galaxy of Terror
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#29 - 2013-04-03 22:14:19 UTC
NeXuS of Omni wrote:
Hello fellow capsuleers,


I have a question about the reimbursement form... Where do I find it? Or will we get one on the release of the update?



"Doubt is brother deamon to despair, and doubt with us those who dare not dare"
-Galaxy of Terror


There isn't one. This is all totally automated. Here's hoping they've tested it to death before the time comes.

Moreover, there is no reimbursement. You won't have any free SP to spend. The only changes will be 1) the exact number of SP you have in Destroyers will be cloned into each racial destroyer skill and the Destroyers SP then removed and 2) exactly the same thing for battlecruisers. At no point should you expect to be able to choose where any "extra" SP goes.
Nihassa
RvB Industries
#30 - 2013-04-05 08:18:17 UTC
"Freighters

Now requires Advanced Spaceship Command 5 instead of 1"


---- If you could fly it before, you can fly it now? - I cant see how this would work? Do you get given Avd Spaceship Com V for free?
CCP Gargant
C C P
C C P Alliance
#31 - 2013-04-05 10:44:15 UTC
Nihassa wrote:
"Freighters

Now requires Advanced Spaceship Command 5 instead of 1"


---- If you could fly it before, you can fly it now? - I cant see how this would work? Do you get given Avd Spaceship Com V for free?


The same principle applies to all of the ships regarding the "If you could fly it before, you can fly it after" message. What this means is, as has been mentioned before here, is that the requirements on a skill are to inject it. If you already have a skill injected, as with Freighters in this case, you can continue to train it normally.

The only skills that will be given out are the new racial Destroyer and Battlecruiser skills. All other skill changes will be subject to this rule that if you already have the skill injected, you will be able to train it and fly the ship, even if you are missing pre-requirements for the skill.

Regarding the levels of skills that have been asked earlier in the thread, the dev blog states that:

"if you want to maximize the reimbursement, training Amarr Cruiser past 3 will do you little good. Aim for Battlecruisers 5 instead, as you will then get Amarr Battlecruiser 5."

Having the racial ship skill at level 3, i.e. Amarr Cruisers lvl 3 and Amarr Frigate lvl 3, and the two skills that will be split at level 5, i.e. Destroyers lvl 5 and Battlecruisers lvl 5, will cause you to get Amarr Destroyers lvl 5 and Amarr Battlecruisers at lvl 5.

Also, please remember that I am only relaying the message. If I find out I'm wrong about any of this, I will correct it as soon as possible.

CCP Gargant | EVE Universe esports Coordinator

Antal Marius
Allied Operations
Mechanicus Macabre Immortale
#32 - 2013-04-23 01:48:02 UTC
ASC V doesn't bother me for if I decide to train up the remaining freighters, since I already had it. Damn boats take forever to align, even with it to 5.
Erinii Fieldspar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-05-01 01:22:09 UTC
what is the deadline to have the skills done by? 6.3.2013 11:59pm EVE time?
Omar Davaham
Poseidon's Miners
#34 - 2013-05-01 07:13:39 UTC
Can someone make clear the changes to Transport Ships, if any?
Do we need still need Industry V and Racial Industrial V or do we need Advanced Spaceship Command V?
AlphaOperative Altren
Alternative Rendition
#35 - 2013-05-10 15:23:23 UTC
Dont really understand the reimbursement stuff. Cant we just have the equivalent SP to distribute as we see fit with the new setup?

Nobody ever figures out what life is all about, and it doesn't matter. Explore the world. Nearly everything is really interesting if you go into it deeply enough. ― Richard P. Feynman

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#36 - 2013-05-10 16:20:03 UTC
Omar Davaham wrote:
Can someone make clear the changes to Transport Ships, if any?
Do we need still need Industry V and Racial Industrial V or do we need Advanced Spaceship Command V?


Did I miss this change somewhere? Thought it was just BC and Destroyers going Racial instead of Generic.
AlphaOperative Altren
Alternative Rendition
#37 - 2013-05-12 11:00:35 UTC  |  Edited by: AlphaOperative Altren
Hi,

Could someone clarify for me. If i train all Cruisers up to level 3 i'll get to fly all BC's after the change? Or do i need to take them to level 4?

Edited to add: I'll also get all Destroyers?

Nobody ever figures out what life is all about, and it doesn't matter. Explore the world. Nearly everything is really interesting if you go into it deeply enough. ― Richard P. Feynman

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#38 - 2013-05-12 12:33:55 UTC
AlphaOperative Altren wrote:
Hi,

Could someone clarify for me. If i train all Cruisers up to level 3 i'll get to fly all BC's after the change? Or do i need to take them to level 4?

Edited to add: I'll also get all Destroyers?


Yes you only need cruisers to 3 to get the related battlecruiser skill.

Although I personally would advise training them to 4 anyway, because cruisers are great.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#39 - 2013-05-12 12:59:47 UTC
So if we have the relevant skills to 5 today we will end up with 6 more level 5 skills spread over 6.144.000 SP right?
AlphaOperative Altren
Alternative Rendition
#40 - 2013-05-12 16:54:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
AlphaOperative Altren wrote:
Hi,

Could someone clarify for me. If i train all Cruisers up to level 3 i'll get to fly all BC's after the change? Or do i need to take them to level 4?

Edited to add: I'll also get all Destroyers?


Yes you only need cruisers to 3 to get the related battlecruiser skill.

Although I personally would advise training them to 4 anyway, because cruisers are great.


Agreed. Thank you.

Nobody ever figures out what life is all about, and it doesn't matter. Explore the world. Nearly everything is really interesting if you go into it deeply enough. ― Richard P. Feynman

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