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13 year old murdered his mother over CoD

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2013-05-09 00:58:51 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If the kid played EvE, he would have gotten some friends together and then smacktalked his mother from the yard, and they would have all jumped on her when she walked out of the house.



Or jumped over the fence and split P

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OfBalance
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-05-09 05:49:46 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
silens vesica wrote:

Expensive, but useful, IMO.

Bascialy I think the education system needs to be rethought. If you don't learn from the way thats prescribed, you fail. If you fail, you go into depressions, and from there everything can compound and you snap like that.
We've got bad budget problems. Adding this would be a bank-breaker now. In some future time, when we've got our acocunts in-balance, I'd agree.


If by re-think education he means get the government out of it, then that would not strain any budget. The vast majority of the overhead is paying useless bureaucrats who actively pursue their own self-interest over that of the students and families of those students. Taking them out of the equation and allowing for an open market on education means better and cheaper education for everyone.

Additionally, we (as in the entire world economy) are far too much in debt to ever balance the books. The very idea that at some point in the future (near or otherwise) these debts will be paid down through anything less than hyperinflation is just silly. The expenditures of central planners on failed programs (and ludicrous imperial military spending) is the problem, not the solution.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#63 - 2013-05-09 06:10:30 UTC
Actually I meant more government involvement, though that said I live in a socialist country in the first place and its working out pretty well so far Big smile

Point in context, Government pays me to go to university, I pay it back through taxes with an increased earning capacity earlier than if I had to pay out of my own pocket. Everybody wins Cool

And yes, monetize the debt, let the banks go bankrupt and impose capital controls to prevent outflow, perhaps also using the Swedish model of a "bad" bank to soak up toxic assets and wind them down and back to the Exchequer.

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Alara IonStorm
#64 - 2013-05-09 07:09:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
OfBalance wrote:
(and ludicrous imperial military spending)

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Random McNally
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A Band Apart.
#65 - 2013-05-09 13:32:59 UTC
OfBalance wrote:
NightCrawler 85 wrote:

[quote=Random McNally]In 1988, my 15 year old younger brother was shot and killed in a stupid gun accident. Two other boys of similar age were involved and ALL of them had attended and passed gun safety training. All of them were also boy scouts and came from good homes where parenting actually did take place.

Just knowing gun safety is not enough.

Sometimes, parenting isn't enough.


The bold part is important. And don't think I'm being flippant because I have no idea what you went through. My oldest brother died in a car accident at the very same age. Sometimes parenting has noting to do with it, but those things are accidents which are not preventable. They have absolutely nothing in common with a sociopath murdering someone deliberately.


I totally agree. It was an accident. A very stupid accident but one, nonetheless.

We did not press charges. The regretful thing is that the kid who actually shot my brother will live with this for the rest of his life. His parents have since divorced. It has destroyed their family. That makes me sad.

In this case, the accident WAS preventable. There are several things that would have stopped this including locking the damn gun up (it was in the parent's dresser drawer), leaving the gun unloaded (there had been burglaries in their neighborhood and he loaded it for home defense), and continued reinforcement of the idea of gun safety. [/rant]

You are correct though, it has nothing to do with a sociopath "going off".

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#66 - 2013-05-10 11:36:30 UTC
Totalrx wrote:


The family in this article (RIP to the mom), had none of that. The sad part is - there's a whole generation of parents just like this raising a generation of kids.

Joy.


This is a blatant assumption, just saying. This kid could just be a ****** up piece of **** that did not like the discipline. She did not let the kid keep the game when he proved that he was unable to balance recreation and school. She had this happen to her because she punished the child. How do you not know that this women constantly punished this unstable child and the child finally broke bad? The father said that the mother was the primary disciplinarian, that they fought all the time and that the son had even told him that he wanted to kill his mother. That does not sound like a warm and fuzzy relationship, even if they did 'make up' and be cool with each other after their altercations.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#67 - 2013-05-10 14:22:22 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Totalrx wrote:


The family in this article (RIP to the mom), had none of that. The sad part is - there's a whole generation of parents just like this raising a generation of kids.

Joy.


This is a blatant assumption, just saying. This kid could just be a ****** up piece of **** that did not like the discipline. She did not let the kid keep the game when he proved that he was unable to balance recreation and school. She had this happen to her because she punished the child. How do you not know that this women constantly punished this unstable child and the child finally broke bad? The father said that the mother was the primary disciplinarian, that they fought all the time and that the son had even told him that he wanted to kill his mother. That does not sound like a warm and fuzzy relationship, even if they did 'make up' and be cool with each other after their altercations.

The above describes tens of thousands of families. Hell, parts of it describe parts of *my* childhood. Where are the tens of thousands of murderers? Why am *I* not a murderer?

This kid is a far-outlier of a particularly sad and horrible sort.

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Nomad Alliance
#68 - 2013-05-10 14:45:37 UTC
Psychological issues and lack of parenting.

Hand him a gun!

And people wonder why things are the way they are.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#69 - 2013-05-11 19:08:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I think there are cultural differences going on here.

The "ban" on politics around here forces us to treat these cases if kids accidentally shooting each other as... ACCIDENTS. Which they certainly are. A loaded gun left unattended is like an nu-barricaded swimming pool with toddlers around, or an unlocked car on a hill with kids around, or a bucket with water in it in the presence of an infant.

Yes, accidents - something a mature society can handle in concept. These things happen.

But if we want to go with the "just save one life" approach, we'd have to put everybody in padded cells and build robots to deliver the food (lest someone hired for that task slip on a grape).


But for the cultural differences, well, I grew up in the Northeast of the USA, the so-called "New England" states, named by the people who... settled.... um... took the land from the natives. (Frankly I think the natives had better names for everything).

The Northeast is a strange place. Basically, kids are raised like veal cows. They hardly do anything. There's no resources or logistics for it. Since the late 1980s, "helicopter parenting' became all the rage. That's when kids started wearing helmets to ride tricycles. Back in the 70s, we didn't wear helmets. Some of us ended up in the hospital because of it. Nobody died.


When I went to basic training, guys around me, shaved heads and all, had all kinds of scars on them. Everybody had a shaved head, and everybody showered together. No it's not ghey, it's the military.

But It was very noticeable how the guys from what is normally referred to as "flyover country" (all those uber-special people from the northeast and the west coast, the world revolving around them and all, refer to the rest of America is flyover country because all they know of it is what they see while cruising at 37000 feet in a plane) had scars. Lots of scars.


Guys who had accidents - motorcycle accidents, bike accidents, go-kart accidents, hunting accidents, martial arts accidents, bonfire accidents (3rd degree burns leave some interesting scars) and of course the guys from Detroit had scars on their heads. There was one fellow who had a scar all around the inside of his hairline - went through a windshield and the doctors had to scalp him to get the glass bits out.



In America we say that there are two phrases comprising not-so-famous last words of people who manage to get themselves killed.

"Hold my beer"
"Watch this'.


Youtube "Fail Compilations" are loaded with such scenes.

Problem is, we have this "raised like veal" crowd of the northeast who live in fear of people and accidents, holed up in their homes behind triple-locked doors watching CNN and FOX and living in fear of everything. These are the people saying "there should be a law!" whenever some kid gets run over while chasing an ice cream truck, or just about any accident or mishap you can think of. For most of the northeast (having grown up there), it's "Eat, sleep, crap, work" and do little else. Maybe they'll have a little boat they take out a few times a year or they might have an old muscle car in a garage somewhere that they are too busy (proudly) being a slave (making someone else rich) to find time to restore.

Yet in flyover country, you got kids raised on horseback, motorcycles, around guns, on boats. Yeah things happen. I remember a captain from Miami who learned SCUBA like this: when he was 10, his uncle wanted him to help raise a sunken yacht and install lift bags, and so his uncle put a tank on him, stuck a regulator in his mouth, put a mask on him and said "Whatever you do, don't stop breathing or you will get the bends".

And that was that.

Is one culture better than the other? I don't know. On the one hand, the "safety first and always while living in fear of everything" crowd is doing much damage to the liberty of everybody else, sending congressional and senatorial representatives to Mordor to haunt the rest of the country with this live in fear of everything worst case scenario mentality. As Fred Reed once said, :

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With this came feminization. The schools began to value feelings over learning anything. Dodge ball and freeze tag became violence and heartless competition, giving way to cooperative group activities led by a caring adult. The female preference for security over freedom set in like a hard frost. We became afraid of second-hand smoke and swimming pools with a deep end. As women got in touch with their inner totalitarian, we began to outlaw large soft drinks and any word or expression that might offend anyone.


I am glad to come from the generation that played dodgeball. And yes, the ginger kid with the thick glasses always got primaried.

Most of them grew up to be tough and successful people as I recall.


The rest of the country pretty much lives without fear of what "somebody somewhere is doing". They don't have much fear at all, and during my military service, I knew a lot of fellows who fell off mountains, broke horses (trained them - here I though for a while they "broke" the horse by insulting it until it got a low self-esteem), got bitten by snakes and gators, got shot in the arm or leg or "took an arrow in the knee".

I envied them not for their mishaps, but because they grew up on farms where they had the resources and logistics to have real activities that meant something, far better than what we had in the northeast, where all we could do it "play in the yard" and little more, preparing to be adult-sized children with no real experience. Just down the road where I live now (not in the Northeast) there's a sailplane club with teenagers certed for solo flight.

Yet things don't get better because here I am being glad I didn't have to wear a helmet just to ride the bike down the street, unlike now.

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#70 - 2013-05-12 06:00:29 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
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I was a "dodge-baller" too.

Grew up with a three-wheeled ATV (the precursor to quad-bikes), rode that sucker everyday for hours and hours...I could go on, but...

I wonder:

Are we the last of our kind?

Because it does seem that way, and that genuinely makes meh haz a sad :(

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-05-12 06:25:28 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
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I agree with all of this.

Here's my 2p. tldr; let your kids bloody live!

Being from the UK i have no experience of this heathen dodgeball but we used to play a game called British Bulldog or fox and hounds which was pretty much "Chase Billy and if you catch him pile on him until the teacher catches up and leave no visible marks." It made a man out of you imo. For the hounds it taught team work and how through group effort you could achieve goals and also get away with things, and for the nimble, skinny lads it taught you to run like hell and become good at hiding / eluding. Valuable skills in later life when wanting to evade the wife im sure.

Those two games are long gone now alas. Killed off by dogooders who generally are all champagne socialists to a tee.

When i did my basic training our instructor asked us the dummy question of "who knows how to fight?" The wannabe bruce lees didnt last long but later on during drills it clearly showed who knew the rules of war; that is put the other guy down hard, fast and make sure he isnt getting up. Youre not there to win marks. Those whod actually lived their lives didnt moan at the bruises, the soreness or the occasional black eye or split lip.

The best thing about growing up in the countryside is the freedom to be a real kid. Every summer was spent swimming, surfing, sailing, diving for seafood to cook up on a fire on the beach. We didnt worry about things that might make us sick, you cooked the mussels etc until they burst then you knew they were good. I never wore a helmet when i rode my bicycle. I fell out of trees, got more cuts than i can remember. When i got my motorbike it wasnt long before i fell, but i got back up. Broken bones came and healed. Scars faded but the lessons learnt.

All in all i worry about the "yoof" of today. They have never truly lived and are expected to take over eventually.

That said the human race is in reasonably good hands.. the Chinese dont seem to coddle their kids and neither do the Indians to my understanding. Maybe social Darwinism will kill off the namby pambies and life can get better.

What makes it more sad is im only 27 and ive lived more in that time than most UK kids will in their entire life.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#72 - 2013-05-12 08:28:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Like Graygor I'm from the UK, british bulldog was the playground game of choice, I was the short fat kid that was "Billy", but I was also faster than the majority of my peers, I rarely got caught Lol

Being an army brat I had relatively early access to firearms, I got my first rifle at the age of 10, I still own it 32 years later, albeit deactivated these days. My secondary school was a boarding school with a very active cadet force, through that I became involved in competitive shooting, against other cadets and occasionally regular soldiers. We were taught unarmed combat, canoeing, orienteering, how to live of the land and all that good stuff. It all came in handy when I joined the RAF, there was another guy in my cadre that was in my year at school, we were way ahead of the curve. I was physically and otherwise disciplined as a kid by my parents and my schools. they had the cane back then, and by gum it worked, can you imagine the outrage if a school caned a child these days?

I can kill you with my bare hands, I can kill you at up to 600 yards away given the right weapon, but I won't, the respect I have for both human life, and how fragile it is, as well as my upbringing, and obviously not being a total nutjob stop me from doing it, no matter how much some people deserve it.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#73 - 2013-05-12 12:04:17 UTC
We tried bulldogs once and 3 people were suspended.

We never did anything physical again, gym was only for the people who were doing competitive sports. Even then, only the ones who could realistically compete were allowed to try out. I remember being asked to stop trying out for things early on (I was a late bloomer, no balls dropping or testosterone surge till I was 15). Do this day I have never broken a bone and the outcome of all this is me wanting to bring back national service and do the UOTC. Try sharpening sticks or starting a fire. ditto to sports.

Can't help but feel I missed out on something at some point, not from a rich background. Point in context I flew in a plane for the first time last summer. My god it was beautiful. Next on the list is the Milky Way.

I'm considered right wing and alarmist for saying we live in a bubble and are well fed surrounded by nations of people that want a taste of glory, that its delusional to think we have the right to a life of this quality because we were born into it. Most people in my experience want to believe simultaneously that the West rules the world for their benefit, and that the West is evil because of capitalism. They want to be given money for the sake of it, not for reason but because they have no vision to work past it, uncaring that they are screwing things up long term.

I feel like I'm surrounded by idiots half the time, and delusional special pansies the other half.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2013-05-12 12:31:03 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
I feel like I'm surrounded by idiots half the time, and delusional special pansies the other half.


This is why we need more wars to feed them as fodder for the guns. That, or embark on highly risky space colonisation at a dynamic rate.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#75 - 2013-05-12 12:38:29 UTC
Aye, hence why I have a half dozen children's books written in Mandarin and took the optional modules.

And trying to figure out how to get involved in space is tricky, I'm hoping it isn't one of those professions where you need to know someone on the inside to get into.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2013-05-12 13:00:40 UTC
I have a feeling given the start up nature of the new ventures it kinda is.

Theyre massively over subbed on their job applications i know that. We had to analyse one of them for a client and while it looks good its a true roll of the dice. Its like car companies back in the 1910s. A dime a dozen and all a winner but who will last?

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#77 - 2013-05-12 13:08:44 UTC
Well its a long ways off, still doing the Undergrad for another 2 years. I'd hit myself if I didn't ask, but were PhD's given any kind of advantage in the applications over Masters? I'm in one of those periods of life I think where I bug everyone for as much information on this as I can, mums an ex Hippie and Eve taught me most of my business acumen. Big smile

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2013-05-12 13:15:13 UTC
Honestly PhDs and MScs are a dime a dozen for these kinds of ventures. What theyre short of afaik are people who're good with their hands.

Go learn to weld and you'll be well in.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#79 - 2013-05-12 13:20:17 UTC
Point taken, never thought of that. What?

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-05-12 13:25:07 UTC
Blame sci fi, every nerds wet dream is coming true atm.

Granted a lot of the CVs are utter dross. But a lot of people in their 30s and 40s are throwing in their lot to persue their dream. Especially all the talent NASA and ESA cut.

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