Jita Park Speakers Corner

Yes, I read the original post... I just disagree. When a single member of the CSM decides to take a quick little poll, said poll should not be the basis of the activities of the rest of the CSM, and the CSM should not be judged by it's adherence to that poll's results. That is the entirety of my point. I'm not saying that you're totally wrong, or that more polls or better ways of polling would be somehow bad... just that they're far less important then you seem to think.

Wrong answer Mittani.
It is interesting to see how a such short minded person like you happen to be so arrogant.
Where does your confidence excess come from? Do you really think that you are the owner of the truth?

Go get a post talking about Justin Beiber or something like it. Leave happy pilots alone. Loser.

The best possible counter to bloc voting is for everybody to vote. The more people who vote, the less effect a bloc of finite size can sway results.

You are absolutely right. My point wasn't that docking games doesn't need to be fixed but that Trebor's "crowdsourcing" isn't a viable alternative to the CSM.

I think after five CSMs where nothing of note was accomplished most players just checked out of the whole process. It wasn't until CSM6 actually started to make a difference that people woke up. The funniest thing is that everything this CSM has worked for will make the game better as a whole but because some people can't see beyond the fact that Mittens is a goon they won't admit it.

In all of the anti-CSM/anti-Mittens threads I keep asking for just one example of how the current CSM has hurt the game and I haven't yet gotten an answer.

It seems that yours and my words are orbiting around a central point of agreement, but we're on opposite sides of the same point everytime we exchange something. :)

I do not think polling itself is the answer, but I do think that direct democracy is better than a representative system, for reasons I have outlined already in the thread. In this regard, more polling and better polling is the answer. I do not judge the CSM by their adherence to the results of the crowdsourcing poll. Instead I judge them on their ability to reach out and try to figure out what is best for everyone.

This focus on ship rebalance is the perfect example. Sure hybrids suck right now. That's why I trained autocannons. But even after the rebalance, I'm still going to be fitting autocannons on my Myrmidons and Falcons. Once the rebalance happens, it will be fun to again roam with Thorax blobs, something that I've been missing in the atmosphere of 0.0 in recent years. But still, I don't think it's worth rebalancing. Mark my words: once we figure out this new balance, people will be complaining about how Amarrian ships need rebalancing and we'll be wasting more time on it. I just say, shut the **** up and enjoy the goddamn game. If you don't like the way a ship is balanced, nobody will force you to fly it.

But obviously there are bigger issues out there that effect everyone. Just think about miners, who don't really fly any ships that need balancing. How about rebalancing mining barges? What CSM is working on that issue? Corporate roles/titles, for another instance, which ranked #2 and #3 in the crowdsourcing poll. Most importantly, what is the CSM doing to discourage overcrowding in hi-sec? How are they making 0.0, low-sec, and WH space more tempting? How about some level 4 missions that take players into WH space? But again, every CSM councillor is interested in his own pet projects.



As I've been saying, that's the reason I am suggesting ongoing crowdsourcing. The primary problem with the summer poll is that it did not last long enough to collect a decent enough sample. Instead of thinking of votes in terms of deadlines, let's construct an ongoing system, that way it is as democratic as possible.



This is a pretty half-hearted argument. Crowdsourcing only failed for the problems I keep enumerating. It will succeed when we overcome those problems. Simple cause and effect, no opinions needed.



This is not an anti-Mittani thread, in case you haven't been following. But the current CSM is no more effective at addressing all players and the game as a whole than previous ones. Just like previous Councils, CSM6 is again focused on its own pet issues to the detriment of the larger community. Because I'm fed up with it, I'm proposing something far more meaningful than representative democracy.



Many people did not know what they were voting for or against. Others see representative democracy as irrelevant or corrupt. Still others have no problem with the game and saw no reason to vote.

I really don't see too many problems with the game as a whole. Usually the only problems I see are the changes that the CSM keep trying to bring without everyone else in mind. And voting for CSM members is not going to change that. I voted half-heartedly with one of my accounts. And the guy I voted for has helped bring about more useless change.

I just wish that some of the effort put into changing the game would be converted into efforts to learn what players want to see, instead of the false mentality of "we won the election so we'll do whatever we want." This is the caustic nature of representative democracy that we see in the faltering European Union and the United States today. I am sure EVE can be a better place.
-JM

The CSM in its current representation and ideas is not flawed, what is flawed is the ability of ccp to listen.

What is the mouth of the players without ears to listen to them, or a mind to command a body to do action.

Maybe it isn't the CSM doing it right, maybe it's CCP doing the troll their playerbase thing right.