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Please don't remove Deep Space Probes! - DEV Response requested
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#21 - 2013-05-09 22:25:16 UTC
Shegunna Blow wrote:
So everyone realizes the "drop a single probe" convenience is a non-issue due to now being able to launch seven at once, right?

Except that I can now only drop seven. I can't drop a DSP and idle it while I use those seven probes for something else. (Especially since I don't even have a DSP anymore.) I can't drop 8 scan probes and run them in two groups of four. I still have to go through the hassle of setting up four or five probe constellations manually, since the factory presets are the only presets, and seem to be designed only to drop seven at a time.

In making things 'easier,' they've also seemingly locked some of us out of useful, if more difficult, functionality that we enjoyed. All of the things they have added could have been done without removing the things that they did.

After playing with this a bit on SiSi, it's obvious that CCP envisions the Scanning for Dummies system scanner they have added to replace the only function of DSPs that they cared about, which is scanning large systems to see if there are any sigs at all. I may be reading it wrong, but the new % reading and bar graph doesn't seem to be banding the way the old DSPs did, so that's more lost functionality as well.
Linkxsc162534
Silent Scourge
#22 - 2013-05-09 22:46:03 UTC
DSPs should stay, they make WH life a lot simpler. Never used them for PVP but thats a great idea, cause even if people were looking for probes on Dscan, you could just set the thing off to the side so that its not in Dscan range of the area you're probing.

Yeah it might be a little more difficult and slower for a player to use right off, but you can save yourself a lot of time in other places, not wasting time scanning down worthless
Kelrift
Darktrace
Reeloaded.
#23 - 2013-05-09 22:56:31 UTC
+1 I use DSP's in both PvP and Basic System Recon
Xavier Thorm
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-05-09 23:01:48 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Shegunna Blow wrote:
So everyone realizes the "drop a single probe" convenience is a non-issue due to now being able to launch seven at once, right?

Except that I can now only drop seven. I can't drop a DSP and idle it while I use those seven probes for something else. (Especially since I don't even have a DSP anymore.) I can't drop 8 scan probes and run them in two groups of four. I still have to go through the hassle of setting up four or five probe constellations manually, since the factory presets are the only presets, and seem to be designed only to drop seven at a time.

In making things 'easier,' they've also seemingly locked some of us out of useful, if more difficult, functionality that we enjoyed. All of the things they have added could have been done without removing the things that they did.

After playing with this a bit on SiSi, it's obvious that CCP envisions the Scanning for Dummies system scanner they have added to replace the only function of DSPs that they cared about, which is scanning large systems to see if there are any sigs at all. I may be reading it wrong, but the new % reading and bar graph doesn't seem to be banding the way the old DSPs did, so that's more lost functionality as well.


This gives me some really good insight that kinda sours my opinion of the upcoming changes. That's sad.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#25 - 2013-05-09 23:16:23 UTC
yeah I dont know why they want to remove them, they are an awesome addition to the probing system.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#26 - 2013-05-09 23:17:59 UTC
Xavier Thorm wrote:


This gives me some really good insight that kinda sours my opinion of the upcoming changes. That's sad.


Thing is, I don't even necessarily have a problem with what they've done. Dummies system scanner? OK. Preset constellations? I'd prefer to save & recall my own, but OK. It's what they took out that really proves bothersome. No 8th probe? No DSPs? Possibly no banding? Not liking that much.

I see no reason from a playability standpoint that both systems can't be in place. I understand there's code beneath the hood that I have no clue about. And I understand how bad probes used to be a few releases ago. But they had it almost perfect already, and this is too much toward 'easy.' It's like seeing that some people need help learning to ride the bike, so instead of bolting on some training wheels to take off later, they've made them a necessary part of the frame that can never be removed, even after you learn how to ride.
RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-05-10 00:05:45 UTC
Bump and +1 for Great Justice

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Vayn Baxtor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-05-10 00:17:01 UTC
I don't like what CCP is doing there either, so +1 from me. That move is so "un-EVE like".

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Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-05-10 01:35:13 UTC
+1 this is bogus
kai il
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-05-10 01:38:40 UTC
+1 dont remove them! I just trained for them >.>
Whisperen
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#31 - 2013-05-10 02:51:52 UTC
Bad change leave the dsps they are useful for more important things then scanning cosmic sigs.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-05-10 03:07:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Robert Caldera wrote:
yeah I dont know why they want to remove them, they are an awesome addition to the probing system.



even better is the lack of notifcation about it. You'd have to go the sisi forum and see the notification. Implying you have to be a sisi tester to see it. I know with my rl schedule I barely got the time to play actual eve let alone play in the test server. I need my isk per hour on the live server, I don't get many hours to make that isk lol.

Now most other odyssey changes have been blogged for a while. Hell...its the reason why page 1 here has litte room for non-dev'ed stickies. CCP could have said this months ago. Whats 1 more dev sticky on page 1, right?


We were given ample time with the blogs to get that CS trained now if lacking it. The racial BC switch was even a longer "hey guys...its coming" process. I have put off another BS 5 train for caps I want because I knew months out its not needed from their blogs.

After reading the sisi thread I do see why they are doing this stealth change. Not many are happy with it. Yay...formations. Jsut have to deal with a crap ui for what they find now. And -1 probe for those who worked out nice 8 probe schemes already.
Sai Talos
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-05-10 03:14:24 UTC
DONT TAKE MAH PROBES PLOX.

WHY?!?!?!?

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Shin'alor
Flat Earth Believers
#34 - 2013-05-10 03:14:40 UTC
My name is Shin Arturas Alor, and I approve this message.
Joseph Barnacle O'Sullivan
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#35 - 2013-05-10 03:15:09 UTC
Save Deep Space Probes!

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Alec Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-05-10 03:16:36 UTC
+1 DSP make WH life more bareable. It will be hell having to scan down every sig in a system to find one specific type of sig.
The Breath
Brave New Eden
#37 - 2013-05-10 09:53:33 UTC
I hope ccp can provide other tools or other ways to scan deep space.Ugh

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Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#38 - 2013-05-10 10:02:23 UTC
+1

stupid move

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#39 - 2013-05-10 10:03:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
what I personally dislike mostly is they are dumbing down another part of the game for noobs. WHY?

And why the f*ck do I need 7 probes, the only case I sometimes needed 5!! probes for probing 10/10 plexes with a not maxed prober, in any other case I always used only 4 of them. On sisi I cant even launch single probes anymore, just stupid constellations of 7!! probes. This new probing is trash, I hope its not going live on tranq with Odyssey and is getting massively reworked.

Launching presets was originally a good idea from players, but NOT the ONLY preset of 7 goddamn probes predefined by CCP, if you cant give us customizable presets by ourselves, better DUMP IT again!

And yeah, ofc, removal of DSP is a huge blow in players face. Do not approve - not just because I wasted a decent amount of SP for that probes, it feels like a whole dimension of probing aspect being deleted. WHY?
Captain John Crichton
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#40 - 2013-05-10 10:35:03 UTC
+1 from me as well, don't take away DSP! They are great for WH scaning and probing mission runs in lowsec. Don't "fix" probing only too nerf it!