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Wormhole K162: Understanding the Mechanism [ALXVP public release]

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Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#1 - 2013-05-09 08:13:29 UTC
Hello inquisitive pilots and explorers of New Eden. I would like to discuss a few observations which we here at Alexylva Paradox have made about the unknown regions beyond wormholes known as Anoikis, and the implications of those observations.

First, I would like to preface all of this with a few things. I'd like to give thanks to the Arek'Jaalan project and its team members, as well as the explorers who participated in the crowdsourcing of data. I'd also like to give a warning to the audience: this might be long and sound like some loony conspiracy theory. With this in mind I encourage people to keep an open mind and try to reliably duplicate our observations in order to confirm or deny them.

Our observations begin with a pretty well-known phenomenon in Anoikis: "classes" of space which contain similar levels and types of Sleeper drone fortifications, ancient salvage and databases, fullerite gas clouds, and so on. Star systems of the same class may or may not be physically near to each other in location, given the similarity of nebulae found in systems of the same class (to the point that experienced explorers can tell what class of space a wormhole leads to simply by peering at the distorted images shimmering near the event horion). By this point in time capsuleers have a functional understanding of classes, and it is more or less common knowledge within the capsuleer community that "higher class" space is more lucrative...and also more dangerous. Higher class space, such as C5 or C6, contains more formidable Sleeper drone defenses, higher chances of finding very well-preserved artifacts, older Sleeper drones with much more salvageable technology, and incredibly advanced databases containing information that scientists are still struggling to make sense of. Lower class space contains much lighter Sleeper drone defenses, less ruins of ancient infrastructure, and many more newer Emergent-type Sleeper drones which are more fragile and yield less valuable tech when salvaged. It should also be noted that structures and fortifications in lower class space contain less total Sleeper drones overall.

All of these facts give credence to the possibility that higher class space represents the core of what was the Sleepers' civilization, whereas lower-class space represents outward frontiers.

The second observation we are concerned about deals with what are known as "static wormholes". Every system in Anoikis will have at least one outbound wormhole which consistently leads to the same general areas of space, and this wormhole is known as the system's "static". Barring C1 and C3 space, all classes of wormholes may static into systems of equivalent class. C1 and C3 space have static wormholes leading to known space, and C4 through C6 space have static wormholes leading to other systems in Anoikis. Class 2 systems are special in that they each have two static wormholes: one to known space and one to other systems in Anoikis. Static wormholes also have varying lifecycles: some last for a full day while others last only sixteen hours. In addition, all wormholes have limits on how much mass can pass through them before they destabilize and collapse.

Here is where things get odd. Why should wormholes consistently lead to the same areas of space and consistently have the same lifecycles and mass limitations? While many capsuleers unfamiliar with Anoikis regard wormholes as purely random, they are anything but. The primary issue is with known space statics; how do the wormholes "know" to tunnel into systems of a particular security status and not others? A so-called "lowsec static" will, without fail, lead into systems with a security status of greater than 0.0 and no more than 0.4. A hisec static will never lead to known space with a security status below 0.5, and a nullsec static will never lead to space with a security status above 0.0. So we are forced to question a few things: the Sleeper civilization seems to have died out thousands of years ago and left nothing but ruins and drifting automatons. How is it that the space they once resided in so systematically links with the New Eden cluster?

Some have proposed that various CONCORD system-wide technologies which prohibit certain capsuleer behaviours (or the lack thereof, in the case of nullsec) is in some way related to where static wormholes in Anoikis will lead to. This is a flimsy explanation, however, since it fails to explain the existence of wandering wormholes which occasionally link systems in Anoikis that normally only static into one area of space with other areas of space. For example a C3 system with a static to nullsec may still occasionally link to hisec via a wandering wormhole. If various system-wide technologies are what restrict statics to only link to systems of particular security statuses in known space, why then are there wandering wormholes which occasionally "get around" any limitations imposed by such system-wide tech? Additionally, CONCORD system-wide tech is not present in Anoikis, and yet statics from one class of system to another class of system are just as reliable and consistent as known-space statics. Thus the argument that system-wide technology present in known space impacts wormholes in Anoikis cannot explain wspace-to-wspace statics. It is possible that wandering wormholes are the ones which are truly random, but it is clear that static wormholes work in a mechanical manner that can be observed and repeated.

An additional fact is that all unknown systems discovered thus far contain Sleeper drones and ruins. If the wormholes were random we would expect to occasionally link with systems that do not contain any evidence of the long-dead civilization.

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Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#2 - 2013-05-09 08:17:07 UTC
To sum up everything thus far, I have postulated that lower class space represents what might have been a frontier for the Sleeper civilization and that higher class space represents what was once the core systems of their civiliation. I have also explained why static wormholes act more like an intentionally-built fluctuating network of systems than random natural events. The primary question I wish to ask New Eden is thus: "Are the wormholes an example of engineering on a cosmic scale?". We know that wormhole generation technology exists and that it can be used to willfully link any two points in space. We also know how the fluctuating network of systems in Anoikis connects not only to known space, but to Anoikis itself. Again, as pointed out previously CONCORD system-wide technologies cannot have an impact on the static network. With these facts in mind, it becomes much more likely that the static network existed within Anoikis itself even prior to the Seyllin Event and played a crucial part in the Sleeper civilization's apparent expansion from higher class space to lower class space. Assuming the static network was the tool by which the Sleepers expanded outward from C6 and C5 space, then why wouldn't it continue to serve that function after being linked with known space? To put it differently: after the Seyllin event known space was not linked with Anoikis, but rather the static network within Anoikis expanded to include known space.

Suddenly the illusion of solitude shatters. We are not alone, and perhaps we never were. The Sleepers have awokened from their slumber and are continuing their trek away from C6 and C5 space; the known space cluster will be their new frontier. As improbable as this sounds, all evidence points towards this being the case. An enigmatic entity known as Awakened Infomorph was spotted in known space on multiple occassions, and was also sighted within Anoikis in itself and appeared to be in command of a squad of Sleeper drones. If this entity is indeed some form of awakened Sleeper (and with the ability to command Sleeper drones and willfully generate wormholes, as testified by the C6-dwelling corporation that made initial contact with Awakened Infomorph, it is a reasonable assumption to make), then we have further evidence of the supposedly dead civilization taking a keen interest in the known-space cluster.

Regardless, the static network in and of itself represents a powerful tool for navigation once understood properly, and it is clear from archaeological analysis that the Sleepers were expanding outward from C6 and C5 space. There are many theories as to why the Sleepers would expand and colonize via the static network, though the most telling piece of evidence might be the quarantine sites found in C5 space. Did the Sleepers flee from a plague or disease? If so, did the Seyllin event catch their attention and set their sights on known space in their search for a cure? At this point we know that it cannot simply be random events, and clues for solving the mysteries of the ancient past are most prevalent in C5 and C6 space. With this in mind, I will now discuss the direction Alexylva Paradox will be going in.

ALXVP intends to establish a base of operations in higher-class space. We understand the static network well enough to do the scouting and exploring ourselves this time around. We will also be increasing our recruitment efforts in hopes of finding other hardy, like-minded pilots who want to unravel the mysteries of the past. In particular we'll need logistics-oriented pilots to aid in the upkeep and repair of ships while we explore the dangerous ruins of the Sleeper civilization. It is my sincere hope that we can muster enough pilots in order to prepare the cluster for the inevitable dialogues to come.

Streya Jormagdnir
Operations Coordinator, Alexylva Paradox
Published on the Intergalactic Summit on 05/09/YC115 under authorization of Systems Coordinator
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Tatiana Yazria
Dragon Logistics
#3 - 2013-05-09 10:41:01 UTC
Miss Jormagdnir, you do indeed raise several salient points.

I am curious though, as to what your sample sizing was. You don't need a mathematician here to tell you the significance of that, but here I am anyway.

You are correct in that the observed data does in fact permit and trend toward your conclusions thus far.

However, a large number of questions remain to my eyes. First and foremost - how many wormholes do we have such data on and in sufficient volumes and compatible types to make any such determinations of classification with certainty?
Secondly, I am concerned by the C1/C2/C3/C4/C5 dispersion as it does not seem consistent enough to me. Even if one were to account for 'dead' C1s which are fully collapsed, there should be an expected bias ratio of approximately 10:5:3:2:1 using the C1-5 classifications.
In short, I would very much like to know more about the exact distribution of these wormholes. I believe your idea of the layout may be flawed - specifically in that there is a presumption of stage-walking them. But what if rather than the walking expected, it was specialized tasking? Or the walk is much longer than we have seen so far.

Something to think on.
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#4 - 2013-05-09 17:41:54 UTC
Tatiana Yazria wrote:
Miss Jormagdnir, you do indeed raise several salient points.

I am curious though, as to what your sample sizing was. You don't need a mathematician here to tell you the significance of that, but here I am anyway.

You are correct in that the observed data does in fact permit and trend toward your conclusions thus far.

However, a large number of questions remain to my eyes. First and foremost - how many wormholes do we have such data on and in sufficient volumes and compatible types to make any such determinations of classification with certainty?
Secondly, I am concerned by the C1/C2/C3/C4/C5 dispersion as it does not seem consistent enough to me. Even if one were to account for 'dead' C1s which are fully collapsed, there should be an expected bias ratio of approximately 10:5:3:2:1 using the C1-5 classifications.
In short, I would very much like to know more about the exact distribution of these wormholes. I believe your idea of the layout may be flawed - specifically in that there is a presumption of stage-walking them. But what if rather than the walking expected, it was specialized tasking? Or the walk is much longer than we have seen so far.

Something to think on.


You raise valid concerns. I used a listing of all known systems in Anoikis, as compiled by the Arek'Jaalan project for my analysis. In ascending order of Class, there are:

348 C1 systems
525 C2 systems
494 C3 systems
505 C4 systems
515 C5 systems
113 C6 systems

Assuming there was an outward expansion from higher-class space to lower class space, these numbers may reveal a few things. Perhaps C6 space represented an area occupied by the elites or exalted of Sleeper society, which would explain why they are so few in number. This is pretty wild speculation given how little we know about Sleeper society, however. It is interesting to note that C1 and C3 systems (which static exclusively with kspace) are among the fewest in number when one excludes C6 space from consideration.

One could take the lack of quarantine sites in C6 space as further evidence of C6 space being occupied by some sort of elite subculture or caste; in times of plague the wealthy often hide behind tall walls. Again, purely speculation, but if Sleeper society was anything like the cultures of kspace this would be reasonable.

In any case, C5 space seems to hold many keys to answering the mysteries of the Sleepers and what their plan was..or is. If we can understand more about the nature of whatever it was they were quarantining we could construct a reasonable timeline of events for Anoikis.

Further analysis of C5 space is warranted.

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Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#5 - 2013-05-09 19:54:07 UTC
Installations of a particularly sensitive nature, such as military research or clandestine operations, may be located in isolated, remote regions for their security - and for the well-being of civilian populations in the event something blows up.
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#6 - 2013-05-10 05:33:08 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Installations of a particularly sensitive nature, such as military research or clandestine operations, may be located in isolated, remote regions for their security - and for the well-being of civilian populations in the event something blows up.


An incredibly good point and much more likely scenario. Perhaps the isolated nature of C6 space points towards something sensitive...perhaps the Sleepers were conducting research in isolation to deal with whatever it was they were attempting to quarantine in C5 space.

If that is the case and it is also the case that the static network is some form of stellar engineering, then I can't imagine it would have been the Sleepers who constructed the static network; why would they allow inbound connections to something meant to be secretive? Of course, running it over in my mind I realized that spatial manipulation wasn't the technological forte of the Sleeper civilization, but rather the enigmatic Talocan civilization that appears to have been under quarantine by the Sleepers in C5 space. Where the Sleepers seem to have been content with their cryogenic technology as a means of interstellar flight, the Talocan possessed advanced knowledge of spatial manipulation and could reasonably have used it for travel between the stars.

Perhaps all of Anoikis and the static network are the remains of some ancient conflict between the Sleepers and Talocan? Wild speculation, but given the vastly different technological approaches to space flight between the two groups it does seem more likely that the Talocan used their spatial manipulation tech in order to delve deeper into Sleeper space..and they were stopped at C5.

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Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-05-10 06:19:17 UTC
I would like to point out that the legitimacy of the Awakened Infomorph has not been confirmed. It very well could be a capsuleer having a good long laugh at the controversy he/she has stirred up.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.

Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#8 - 2013-05-10 07:22:31 UTC
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
I would like to point out that the legitimacy of the Awakened Infomorph has not been confirmed. It very well could be a capsuleer having a good long laugh at the controversy he/she has stirred up.


According to a report by Cmdr Baxter, the capsuleer group Blazing Angels were the first to encounter the entity known as Awakened Infomorph in the C6 system they occupied. The Blazing Angels pilots reported being attacked in a strange fashion. Namely, by way of an overwhelming amount of Sleeper drones that emerged from a wormhole generated on the spot at a mining reservoir.

While capsuleers can generate temporary jump portals via the use of cynosaural fields, there are very few groups that can generate a stable wormhole with pinpoint accuracy. Capsuleers are not one of them.

According to the previously mentioned report there was, however, a capsuleer going by the name of Reawakened Infomorph who attempted to cash in on the scene.

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Ollie Rundle
#9 - 2013-05-10 14:16:56 UTC
Streya, thank you for publicising your theory - it's certainly very interesting.

Both Nicolas and yourself are correct.

There was no absolute confirmation that Awakened Infomorph (A.I._1 to use the terminology in Cmdr Baxter's report) was legitimate in either the claim suggested by its name or that of its ability to influence Sleeper and Rogue Drone activity or wormhole generation. However, as you suggest, the close correlation of A.I._1's appearances with unique events and applied technology that is beyond what a typical capsuleer of that experience would possess certainly argues for a strong anecdotal connection if nothing else.

The reality is that we are only likely to learn the truth if A.I._1 reappears and reengages with New Eden. As I'm sure you're aware, in the last 21 months there have been no further published sightings of A.I_1.

To return to the theory, I have a few questions which you might already have considered or be in the process of researching.

  1. How does your hypothesis of an expanding civilisation which has now 'set their sights on known space' explain the ancient Sleeper ruins in Ani constellation?
  2. Will your hypothesis be looking into the Talocan technology also found in some classes of w-space systems?


Again, thank you and I look forward to your replies.
Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#10 - 2013-05-10 15:30:35 UTC
Im not so sure the sleepers are that interested in what we call known space. After all they left it for Anoikis.

I sampled the life on several planets in Anoikis as part of my AJ research. I found:

All life there uses DNA just like us.
The genetic code is the same code as used in our cells. It is almost impossible this happened by chance.
The conclusion: All life in Anoikis came from the same original home world as us.
Using the Molecular Clock method I determined that Anoikis was colonized during the Dark Age after the collapse of the Eve wormhole.
The samples I took show evidence of a very deadly fungal disease.

All these results have been confirmed by Eifyer & Co. If you wish you can pick up my Abstracts from Site One in Eram.

I would seem that the "sleepers" were people that came through the eve gate along with everyone else, and after eve gate collapsed, formed their own group and moved out to Anoikis. And there the fungus got em.

Im not sure why they would want to return.
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#11 - 2013-05-10 15:58:54 UTC
Ollie Rundle wrote:

To return to the theory, I have a few questions which you might already have considered or be in the process of researching.

  1. How does your hypothesis of an expanding civilisation which has now 'set their sights on known space' explain the ancient Sleeper ruins in Ani constellation?
  2. Will your hypothesis be looking into the Talocan technology also found in some classes of w-space systems?


Again, thank you and I look forward to your replies.


Excellent questions!

As to your first:

I have long struggled with the existence of both Sleeper and Talocan ruins in known space, but if the two civilizations did clash there's nothing to say that the New Eden cluster didn't play partial host to the conflict. If the Talocan did construct the Anoikis wormhole network and were clashing with the Sleepers, it is quite possible the Sleepers used the wormholes as well for strategic purposes.

Of course, this would suggest that one or both civilizations originated in known space. I still believe, however, that physically speaking the Sleeper civilization's core was C6/C5 space with its frontiers being in lower-class space. If the Sleepers did originate from the known cluster and the ruins are older than those found in Anoikis this would suggest some sort of mass exodus into Anoikis by the Sleepers (given that there are vastly more Sleeper ruins in Anoikis than the known cluster). If the Sleepers did originate in known space and leave en masse then the recent sightings of a likely-related Awakened Infomorph and the inclusion of kspace in the static network point towards the Sleepers embarking on some form of return. And, given that the static network seems to "know" how CONCORD security status works (which is a relatively recent socio-political development), this would suggest such a return is a very recent endeavor that definitely has the kspace population and its security in mind.

On the other hand, if the Ani ruins are newer and the Sleepers did not originate from the known cluster then the Ani ruins might represent earlier attempts to get a foothold in the kspace cluster through unknown means.

It makes the most sense to me that both civilizations originated in the known cluster given the apparent social interactions between the two groups (namely, quarantine and perhaps hostility), though this is slightly against the current grain of thought in mold theory (which states that humans can develop anywhere on any temperate planet because the human form is optimal).

As to your second question:

Of course! It is apparent now more than ever that the Talocan had some significant role to play in Anoikis and possessed technology on par with or perhaps exceeding the Sleepers in some areas. So we're definitely going to be investigating the quarantine sites in C5 space.

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N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#12 - 2013-05-10 20:38:38 UTC
I've only skim read due to being busy but so far this is encouraging work. Well done. I'll give it a full reading when time allows.

**Vherokior **

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#13 - 2013-05-11 00:48:51 UTC
I am curious as to any possible connections between the predictability of wormholes and our existing gate technology.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#14 - 2013-05-11 01:43:29 UTC
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:

I would seem that the "sleepers" were people that came through the eve gate along with everyone else, and after eve gate collapsed, formed their own group and moved out to Anoikis. And there the fungus got em.


And quite a magnificent fungus it is! Oh, wait... Is this bad, sweeties?

I kid, I kid. Though they are based on Anoikis samples, the lithotrophic organisms I am employing on Caldari Prime are scant threat to organic life. I must once again thank you for your generosity, Ms. Ma'chello. Shattered planets present particularly unique opportunities to study life otherwise almost completely inaccessible, and I would never have managed to cultivate such organisms myself.

I imagine that Paisly... Taisly? Orinoco? That brain bug in the system with a Guristas recruiting facility is more directly related to the Sleeper catastrophe. Of course I've never visited the Gurista recruiting facility myself, you know, personally. I did stumble upon one of those drone clusters in that system, once. From up top, they do rather resemble mutated versions of Sleeper disk structures such as the Oruze Construct.

Anyway, my own recollection from the Ark of Jalaan is that evidence supported a catastrophic event followed by an unsuccessful attempt to quarantine. As I mentioned earlier above, particularly dangerous research is often isolated to protect civilian populations, and so I do believe that it is likely that the Class 6 wormholes were not so much enclaves for the elites, but rather extremely high security facilities.

Tangentially, it should also perhaps be observed that many civilian structures are built primarily for considerations such as style, comfort, practicality, etc. They are not necessarily built to last. Consequently, there is some risk of misinterpreting the relatively sparse concentrations of structures in more accessible systems. The main plant may have withered away, leaving only relatively hard bits behind. As relatively hard bits make up a larger percentage of more secure installations, in more restricted systems, in the present day, we see more structure.

Somewhat less clear in all of this is the role of the Talocan. Their structures appear to predate the Sleepers, if archaeological layering applies. Did the Sleepers acquire the fungus from the Talocan? Perhaps we shall never know.
Kymki Akamitsu
Instrumentality of Trade
#15 - 2013-05-11 16:15:45 UTC
Very interesting data being shared here.

Is there any evidence dating the existence of the Talocan relative to the Sleepers? Can it even be ruled out that the Talocan entered the EVE cluster from w-space?

I came upon this thread by just browsing the database as i was heading to Okkelen to search for archaeological material on the Talocan. Interesting convergen
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#16 - 2013-05-11 17:04:58 UTC
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
Im not so sure the sleepers are that interested in what we call known space. After all they left it for Anoikis.

I sampled the life on several planets in Anoikis as part of my AJ research. I found:

All life there uses DNA just like us.
The genetic code is the same code as used in our cells. It is almost impossible this happened by chance.
The conclusion: All life in Anoikis came from the same original home world as us.
Using the Molecular Clock method I determined that Anoikis was colonized during the Dark Age after the collapse of the Eve wormhole.
The samples I took show evidence of a very deadly fungal disease.

All these results have been confirmed by Eifyer & Co. If you wish you can pick up my Abstracts from Site One in Eram.

I would seem that the "sleepers" were people that came through the eve gate along with everyone else, and after eve gate collapsed, formed their own group and moved out to Anoikis. And there the fungus got em.

Im not sure why they would want to return.


I'm not so sure a fungus would have killed off such an advanced spacefaring race that possessed the cryotechnology to preserve their bodies and the computing technology to become infomorphs. In addition, do take into account what the widely-accepted Mold Theory states about life and how it evolves: certain forms and functions simply work, and so it shouldn't be surprising to find similar forms of life all across the cosmos.

Of course, assuming Mold Theory is wrong and that it is Common Origin theory which is correct, your work is very interesting because it suggests a closer relation between the various ancient races; if they came from the same place the likelihood of them being mutually aware of each other dramatically increases. While I still find it hard to believe a fungus killed off one, perhaps two, advanced ancient spacefaring races, your work does have some profound implications if we disregard Mold Theory.

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Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#17 - 2013-05-12 04:52:54 UTC
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
I'm not so sure a fungus would have killed off such an advanced spacefaring race that possessed the cryotechnology to preserve their bodies and the computing technology to become infomorphs.


The fungus in questions seems likely to have been a weaponized organism developed by one advanced species (possibly the Sleepers themselves; possibly the Talocan; possibly an unidentified third party) to destroy another. One potential example of this fungus was found in the Kyonoke Pit. There are some similarities between that organism and the technological "corpse bugs" employed by current-day Blood Raiders, who descend in part from the Takmahl (who excelled at cybernetics and bio-engineering), but that line goes back about three thousand years. They may have learned something from the Dark Past, but probably did not originate it.

Although as a broad premise, I agree life follows patterns and so it is on some level "likely" to evolve in "similar" fashions around the Universe - four independently evolving "human" species overlapping within a matter of a few thousand years stretches credibility quite far. Furthermore, unless there has been a spectacular discovery in the fossil record of yet unpublished, independent origin has been all but ruled out.

Absent temporal shenanigans, of course.

Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#18 - 2013-05-12 05:11:05 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
I'm not so sure a fungus would have killed off such an advanced spacefaring race that possessed the cryotechnology to preserve their bodies and the computing technology to become infomorphs.


The fungus in questions seems likely to have been a weaponized organism developed by one advanced species (possibly the Sleepers themselves; possibly the Talocan; possibly an unidentified third party) to destroy another. One potential example of this fungus was found in the Kyonoke Pit. There are some similarities between that organism and the technological "corpse bugs" employed by current-day Blood Raiders, who descend in part from the Takmahl (who excelled at cybernetics and bio-engineering), but that line goes back about three thousand years. They may have learned something from the Dark Past, but probably did not originate it.

Although as a broad premise, I agree life follows patterns and so it is on some level "likely" to evolve in "similar" fashions around the Universe - four independently evolving "human" species overlapping within a matter of a few thousand years stretches credibility quite far. Furthermore, unless there has been a spectacular discovery in the fossil record of yet unpublished, independent origin has been all but ruled out.

Absent temporal shenanigans, of course.



Have any scientific organizations verified the similarities between the Kyonoke Pit infestation and this fungus in Anoikis? It would truly be chilling to find out that the same disease the Sleepers failed to quarantine is now being under quarantine by the Caldari Navy in Taisy.

So if the fungus was a bioweapon and the Sleepers were quarantining Talocan ships with heavy defenses, then the likelihood there was a Sleeper-Talocan war increases. Reports from the Kyonoke Pit disaster tell horror stories of very quick deaths that occur within mere minutes of contraction. Given the very short period of time in which the fungus kills individuals exposed to it, as well as the isolated nature of Anoikis, the fungus almost had to be intentionally brought in (if it is the same type as found in the Kyonoke Pit).

As for your comments on Mold Theory, I would tend to agree that the archeological evidence points towards a common origin, but I do try to keep the most prominent theories within the scientific community in mind when formulating ideas.

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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#19 - 2013-05-12 12:30:27 UTC
Entirely fascinating and quite seemingly on the right track.
Ollie Rundle
#20 - 2013-05-12 14:34:59 UTC
To begin, my apologies for the verbosity. Any who aren't interested in a wall of text should perhaps entertain themselves elsewhere.

Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
... the "sleepers" were people that came through the eve gate along with everyone else, and after eve gate collapsed, formed their own group and moved out to Anoikis. And there the fungus got em.

I followed Project Huntress Green (PHG) with great interest at the time of its initial research. I'm glad to see you still actively promoting it. I admit I read its results somewhat differently to the conclusion you posted above.

"PHG - The Nature of Life" was your first paper. It demonstrated that DNA samples taken from Anoikis were not significantly different from those found in known space. You determined the chance of this being a random occurrence as 1 in 10^26, which certainly lends weight to your conclusion life in both areas sprang from the same source.

You followed with "PHG - The Origin of Life in Anoikis" and attempted to further develop your first conclusion. Comparing micro-organisms in both known and w-space you used an indirect analysis method to try and determine how far back any common ancestor between the two might have been. While certainly a clever way of approaching the problem, both your selection of micro-organisms and the method of analysis used seem likely to have introduced bias to the study. In addition, your samples from within Anoikis seem to have been limited in number which brings into question the study's power.

As such, the conclusions made by this second paper seem less reliable than the first. The common ancestor may well have split sometime in known space's 'dark age' as you suggest. However, your conclusions that "some space-faring civilization survived, or arose much faster than has been assumed" and "this civilization appears to have moved to Anoikis and made use of the planets" do seem like assertion rather than something based on the data in your paper. The direction of travel remains equivocal. It may well be you were simply planning to use these statements as the basis for further research work, of course.

"PHG - Possible disease organisms in Anoikis" was your final paper. It identified several unique pathogens spread across several planets in w-space. The data was vague on whether these planets were contained within one system or across several and whether or not there was any other topographical link between them. Perhaps you could provide further detail on this?

Amongst the pathogens you noted a mildly virulent bacteria that affected neurological function and a fungus with an ability to express host proteins on its surface in order to limit host immune response. While both of these were very interesting findings, neither pointed conclusively to an extinction level event. It's possible you may have continued work on either of these pathogens following Arek'Jaalan's demise - if so, please publish what findings you're able to.

My conclusion is that while I agree with the hard science of your first paper, the second and third papers seem far more open to interpretation. I do not believe that your research - to date - has shown that the fungal organism you discovered "got 'em" as you've concluded - it's a possibility, but it seems unlikely on current data. I am happy to make time to discuss it with you if I've misrepresented any of your findings.

Gosakumori Noh wrote:
The fungus in questions seems likely to have been a weaponized organism developed by one advanced species ... to destroy another. One potential example of this fungus was found in the Kyonoke Pit.

Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
Have any scientific organizations verified the similarities between the Kyonoke Pit infestation and this fungus in Anoikis?

The publically available data on Kyonoke is very limited. What information we do have suggests it is likely to be a prion - a misfolded protein that acts independently of reliance on nucleic acids (in contrast to bacterial, viral, parasitic and fungal agents). While fungal prions do exist, these are usually harmless to mammalian physiology and are used extensively by medical science to model the effects of disease-forming mammalian prions.

As I see it, the problem with Kyonoke as an explanation for the lack of life in Anoikis is three-fold:

  1. The disease is as virulent as they come - to the point where no safe means of containing it for laboratory research have yet been published. It's possible that the applied use of carbon allotropes may open up avenues for research in the future but as yet this remains untested.

  2. Its inert form allows it to survive in extreme conditions over the course of untold years.

  3. It's been found in only one place in New Eden and not found at all in Anoikis - something that virulent, had it spread from Anoikis to New Eden (or vice versa) and caused an extinction level event in the former would surely have left its mark in many more places.

All of this brings us, in a roundabout way, back to Ani. If we rule out Kyonoke what are the other pathogens we currently know of capable of an extinction or near-extinction level event?

Remy Ouche in Lanngisi would have you believe it's an ancestor of the Alobe virus still causing problems within that constellation. Of course, there's more conspiracy theories found following that rabbit than you'll find at a tin-foil hat convention.

To finish, my apologies again for the wall of text and I hope to see further discussion on the topic.
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