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any advice for a new minner?

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Remote Cat
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-05-10 05:43:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Remote Cat
hi everyone.

well i have some knowldge about basic game and bit pve/pvp (not include warmho. but i never tried minner so i take this as new goal.Ugh

which skill and ship should i learn to fly and how it earn isk from?

i am doing some lv1 quest about minning, and isk reward not very muchSad

should i keep working on it and untile lv4 it might better? or just start work on space min stone and sell?Lol

any BIG minner can give me bit help not going wrong wayP
CC Avalos
METACORTEX LLC
#2 - 2013-05-10 06:29:20 UTC
Remote Cat wrote:
not include warmho.


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Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2013-05-10 06:31:20 UTC
Yes, advice:

Learn to write.

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Mynutor
Myn Industries
#4 - 2013-05-10 07:25:07 UTC
You should learn the skills to fly a Retriever

Fit it like this:

Strip Miner 1
Strip Miner 1
Survey Scanner
Mining Laser Upgrade 1
Mining Laser Upgrade 1

Skills:
Mining 5
Astrogeology 5
Electronics 5
Engineering 5
Mining Upgrades 4
Drones 3 (5)
Refining 5
Refinery Efficiency 2
Scordite Processing 3
Veldspar Processing 3
Energy Systems Operation 3-4
Energy Management 3-4
Cybernetics ?

This should guve you 5-7 M ISK/hour in high sec

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Once you can do that train to be able to fly an exhumer

Mackinaw
Strip Miner 2
Strip Miner 2
Survey Scanner
Mining Laser Upgrade 2
Mining Laser Upgrade 2
Mining Laser Upgrade 2

And these skills:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=226142&find=unread

This should give you 10-12M ISK/Hour in high sec

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Myngero
Myn Industries
#5 - 2013-05-10 07:26:56 UTC
Or if you are afraid if being ganged you can start instead of a retriever with a covetor.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#6 - 2013-05-10 07:54:02 UTC
I will admit its been a while since i have actually mined unless im forced to by corp members, but will add in what i can and others can correct me.

As some have mentioned retriever is a decent ship for mining, at least if your solo if i remember correctly.
There are people out there that will gank miners just for fun, so watch out for local spikes and preferably find a system that is more out of the way, and stay aligned to warp out of the belt at all times.

The mining missions i dont have much experience with, but i would say just stop doing missions and mine regular ore or ice, depending on which one is most profitable for you.
However you might want to grind enough missions to get perfect refining in the system(s) you mine in so you dont loose as much on taxes.
There are also skills that will help you with refining.

For how to sell it you have a few choices.
You can either just sell it on the market, or you can look around for a corp/person/alliance that buys minerals/ore in bulk on a regular basis and is willing to use you as their regular provider.

And dont worry about the people who are commenting on how your post is written. Most people here will be understanding of someone not being a native english speaker Smile

Good luck and have fun!
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-05-10 08:41:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Hessian Arcturus
Mynutor wrote:
You should learn the skills to fly a Retriever

Fit it like this:

Strip Miner 1
Strip Miner 1
Survey Scanner
Mining Laser Upgrade 1
Mining Laser Upgrade 1

Skills:
Mining 5
Astrogeology 5
Electronics 5
Engineering 5
Mining Upgrades 4
Drones 3 (5)
Refining 5
Refinery Efficiency 2
Scordite Processing 3
Veldspar Processing 3
Energy Systems Operation 3-4
Energy Management 3-4
Cybernetics ?

This should guve you 5-7 M ISK/hour in high sec

-

Once you can do that train to be able to fly an exhumer

Mackinaw
Strip Miner 2
Strip Miner 2
Survey Scanner
Mining Laser Upgrade 2
Mining Laser Upgrade 2
Mining Laser Upgrade 2

And these skills:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=226142&find=unread

This should give you 10-12M ISK/Hour in high sec


At least tell the new guy to fit a tank for gods sake :/

EDIT: I dont mine, so I wouldnt be able to provide a basic tank off the top of my head for a mining ship, other that use shields. If someone is going to gank you, at least then you stand a chance of holding out until concord gets there.
You wouldn't fly around in a 200mill isk Battleship and not fit a tank would you (most of the time), so dont do it in a mining ship.
Also if you have combat drones out as you mine, switch your autotarget in the esc menu (middle tab I believe) to 0 because you dont want someone targeting you and doing something and your drones auto agressing in hisec, resulting in you getting concorded instead.

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-05-10 10:05:30 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Myngero wrote:
Or if you are afraid if being ganged you can start instead of a retriever with a covetor.


I think you mean ganked. And if so I hope you mean procurer instead of covetor.

Procurer (Skiff): high tank. Avg cargo and yield. Tanked miner.
Retriever (Mckinaw): high cargo. Avg tank and yield. Solo miner.
Covetor (Hulk): high yield. Avg tank and cargo. Fleet miner.

My advice: try mining but dont make it your only goal. Most people will quit if they only mine as it is one of the most boring things to do in EVE. Only a select few can pull it off as their main thing to do.

Edit: that linked fit is terrible. ALWAYS fit a tank. Miners are prime food for gankers because they usually are the example of people who want to avoid PvP and want to max their ISK/hour income and whine when people show them that space is a harsh place.

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-05-10 10:39:30 UTC
Jury Rigging L3
Shield Rigging L1+


Best use for the rigging slots are Shield Rigs
+Resistance based on the region where you mine (Thermal + Kinetic in Gallente space, etc)
+Shield Amount (if you have a 3rd Rig-Slot)


Velicitia
XS Tech
#10 - 2013-05-10 11:40:27 UTC
Hessian Arcturus wrote:

At least tell the new guy to fit a tank for gods sake :/

EDIT: I dont mine, so I wouldnt be able to provide a basic tank off the top of my head for a mining ship, other that use shields. If someone is going to gank you, at least then you stand a chance of holding out until concord gets there.
You wouldn't fly around in a 200mill isk Battleship and not fit a tank would you (most of the time), so dont do it in a mining ship.
Also if you have combat drones out as you mine, switch your autotarget in the esc menu (middle tab I believe) to 0 because you dont want someone targeting you and doing something and your drones auto agressing in hisec, resulting in you getting concorded instead.



^ This.

Barges go against the Gallente design philosophy, and are shield tanked. Since you're really tanking "PVP" and not
"PVE" style damage, you want buffer over active, so this means Shield Extenders instead of Boosters.

I mine on occasion, and kit out the exhumers with the best tank I can cram on there after 3x T2 strips.

On a hulk, this means

Hi
3x strips
Mid
2x Small F-S9 extenders (T2 don't fit without a 3% PG & CPU implant)
2x T2 invulns
Low
DCU II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Rigs
3x CDFE

EHP is 26.6k against antimatter, and 28.7k with an all 5 squad booster (before ganglinks), or 30.7k with an all 5 booster in a vulture.

Mines alright -- with a T2 fit orca it's something like 2700+ m3 per minute. Sure you can get "more" yield by gimping your tank ... but that kind of defeats the purpose.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-05-10 12:25:04 UTC
We're going to need a montage....

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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-05-10 12:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mayhaw Morgan
If you stick with those mining missions, at level 4, they will start to pay very well, especially if you can do them in more dangerous space outside of high sec. (below 0.5) It is slow going, at first, but level 1's and level 2's are easy in a Venture. Ultimately, they are just as good as level 4 combat missions, maybe better in some ways. For level 4's, you will probably want to learn Gas Harvesting and Ice harvesting, in addition to regular mining. It's worth it.

If you choose to mine regular ore in the public asteroid belts, you will probably find that your ship's tank is just as important as how fast it gathers ore. If you cannot comfortably sit in an asteroid belt and work your mining lasers, then it doesn't matter how much ore your ship COULD be harvesting.

As a newbie, you should probably aim to mine in 0.5 security space. Lower than that is MUCH more dangerous. Higher than that is less rewarding. The "rats" in 0.5 space aren't too tough. Any ship you mine in should be able to tank them long enough to fill your hold or kill them outright. Sometimes they drop good loot, too.

As you progress, you will have a choice to make. Do you mine more ore? Do you mine better ore?

If you choose to mine more ore, you just have to get better ships, up to Retriever is what I recommend, but you should try Procurer for a little while first, because other players will be less likely to try to destroy you if you fly Procurer than Retriever. Procurer has a much better tank, although it will not mine as efficiently. (Don't get greedy.)

If you choose to mine better ore, then you need to understand PVP very well, because the better ore is mostly found in unsecure space. You will face stronger NPCs, other players, bigger ore (more m3's). If you want to embrace that challenge, Venture is your friend. +2 warp strength. Frigate-fast. Big ore hold (for her size). Most importantly, she is cheap. Cheap is important, because you may lose a few Ventures in the begining. Don't even think about taking a mining barge there until you know exactly what you are doing and have 4 ways of getting out of any bad situation.

Good luck.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-05-10 13:02:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Hessian Arcturus wrote:

Also if you have combat drones out as you mine, switch your autotarget in the esc menu (middle tab I believe) to 0 because you dont want someone targeting you and doing something and your drones auto agressing in hisec, resulting in you getting concorded instead.


Combat drones on aggressive will not take any action that will get you concorded. They automatically attack targets that have already aggressed you or the drones (and don't require that you have targetted them, manually or automatically), at that point if it's a suicide ganker Concord's on the way for them, they have a criminal flag and are a legal target.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-10 14:07:45 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:

Also if you have combat drones out as you mine, switch your autotarget in the esc menu (middle tab I believe) to 0 because you dont want someone targeting you and doing something and your drones auto agressing in hisec, resulting in you getting concorded instead.


Combat drones on aggressive will not take any action that will get you concorded. They automatically attack targets that have already aggressed you or the drones (and don't require that you have targetted them, manually or automatically), at that point if it's a suicide ganker Concord's on the way for them, they have a criminal flag and are a legal target.


This.
Aggressive drones will only attack something that aggresses either your ship or the drones. Both which automatically makes thema legal target to shoot anyway.

The idea that aggresive drones get you CONCORDED is a myth helped into the world by people who dont understand the mechanics.

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Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-05-10 14:32:36 UTC
Roime wrote:
Yes, advice:

Learn to write.



Maybe English isn't his primary language...Learn not to be a douche.
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#16 - 2013-05-10 18:07:31 UTC
OP: Any advice for a new miner?
Me: Yes, don't.

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Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-05-10 19:09:14 UTC
Archdaimon wrote:
OP: Any advice for a new miner?
Me: Yes, don't.


Ha. Ha. Ha.

Seriously, mining's not the most lucrative profession. It's unglamorous, tedious, leaves you open to suicide ganking, bumping, and other forms of extortion and piracy, but without miners, the entire EVE economy would ultimately break down.

There are corps that dedicate themselves to mining and related industry, and they're often cool groups to hang out with. Shooting the breeze while drilling a belt can also be a nice form of relaxation, sort of the EVE equivalent of hanging out at the pub.

And if you pick another career and it all goes to worms on you, mining's a half-decent fallback strategy.

There are many more lucrative and exciting things to do in EVE, but if you're looking for moments of Zen, an asteroid belt may be a nice place to go.

(Just don't zone out in an expensive ship you can't afford to replace.)

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