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Aren't the Jove supposed to be light years ahead of us?
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Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#81 - 2013-05-10 02:45:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenris Anis
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Zakarumit CZ wrote:
People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified.


Agreed.


Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that.

"It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!"

@ Lucas
Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer!


And the "kessel run" is navigating between a cluster of black holes as close as you dare, in that context 12 parsecs is actually quite an achievement. But I still would like to see Lukas getting crucified.


Raven Solaris wrote:

No, saying SoCT ships are Jovian is like saying the Sansha ships are Caldari just because Sansha Kuvakei was/is Caldari.


Which brings me to something totally unrelated:

I would like to explore his wormhole space, which should have systems in jove space.

Remove insurance.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2013-05-10 03:06:37 UTC
Tenris Anis wrote:
I would like to explore his wormhole space

I think something about this goes against forum rules, but I'm not sure quite what.

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Malak Dawnfire
Unquestionable Prosperity
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#83 - 2013-05-10 03:09:33 UTC
Quote:
And the "kessel run" is navigating between a cluster of black holes as close as you dare, in that context 12 parsecs is actually quite an achievement.


Those must be some wussy smugglers then considering that 12 parsecs is equal to about 47 light years away!
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
#84 - 2013-05-10 03:24:02 UTC
Malak Dawnfire wrote:
Quote:
And the "kessel run" is navigating between a cluster of black holes as close as you dare, in that context 12 parsecs is actually quite an achievement.


Those must be some wussy smugglers then considering that 12 parsecs is equal to about 47 light years away!

Considering that the gravitational pull of black holes is what holds the universe together, would you want to be any closer?

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#85 - 2013-05-10 05:07:09 UTC
Remember, them stomping the amarr fleet was just as much due to them pulling a fast one over on the stupid Amarr as their raw firepower.

Since then, the four Empires have had time to improve while the Jove have been wasting away. We routinely use reverse engineered sleeper gear. If the Jove are still more advanced, we have still likely been closing the gap.
Just Lilly
#86 - 2013-05-10 05:52:56 UTC
SoCT or not, it still says "Jove - Battlecruiser" in the ship viewing window, along with the length of the hull Blink
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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-05-10 07:14:24 UTC
Vincent R'lyeh wrote:
The Gnosis is a Battlecruiser that a total newbie can fly without even having the BattleCruiser skill.

It's so HI-TECH it only has 'stop' 'go' & 'SHOOT ZE CANNONS' butans..............

Seems pretty advanced to me



Seems more like Minmatar to me... :/

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Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#88 - 2013-05-10 09:03:53 UTC
You can technically say "light years ahead" just as you say "miles ahead". It still isn't a unit of time though.

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-05-10 17:05:44 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Zakarumit CZ wrote:
People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified.


Agreed.


Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that.

"It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!"

@ Lucas

Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer!


Do we even know what a Kessel Run is? For all we know it could be a time-challenge to do a certain something in the least distance possible.


Sourcing: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run

A kessel run was a one way, 18 parsec shortcut trip used by smugglers. It has a standard distance. The 12 parsecs quote, is a joke, because parsecs is time, and saying that you could run a kessel run in 12 parsecs is the same as saying you ran a marathon in only 17 miles.

So no.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#90 - 2013-05-10 17:08:31 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
You can technically say "light years ahead" just as you say "miles ahead". It still isn't a unit of time though.


No, you can't technically say it, but you can figuratively say it. Technically implies a duality of facts, but in this case, you are simply using a metaphor.
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#91 - 2013-05-10 18:48:17 UTC
Ohishi wrote:
Malak Dawnfire wrote:
Quote:
And the "kessel run" is navigating between a cluster of black holes as close as you dare, in that context 12 parsecs is actually quite an achievement.


Those must be some wussy smugglers then considering that 12 parsecs is equal to about 47 light years away!

Considering that the gravitational pull of black holes is what holds the universe together, would you want to be any closer?



Oh boy ! Another incorrect scientific tangent to pursue !!




Nah, I'll just say that's wrong and leave it at that.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#92 - 2013-05-10 20:22:51 UTC
The Apotheoisis was given to us as 'Jovian design' and it is the same design as the Gnosis. It's a replica or in modern terms, a cheap Chinese knock off?

Another thing worth mentioning is, we 4 races of New Eden are not what "we" are. "We" are capsuleers and "we" use ships designed to be piloted by capsule, pod pilots. Even the four races that Pod pilots are culled from don't use Pod pilots ships exclusively. The Amarr fleet that faced the Jove was a Navy fleet, not a Pod fleet. For all we know, Jove have a strict doctrine against using Pod pilot technology.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2013-05-10 20:27:31 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:
Aren't the Jove supposed to be light years ahead of us?
Any of their ships are supposed to ROFLstomp our ships, and yet the Gnosis isn't really that powerful.
Its powerful and versatile yes, but light years ahead of the empires? No.

Is this like an old model?
Because if this ship is the average Jovian ship, then the empires could take them down with just sheer numbers.

One, its not Jove, and two, its a SCANNING VESSEL, meaning its non-combat.
Lady Areola Fappington
#94 - 2013-05-10 21:03:15 UTC
Ocih wrote:
The Apotheoisis was given to us as 'Jovian design' and it is the same design as the Gnosis. It's a replica or in modern terms, a cheap Chinese knock off?

Another thing worth mentioning is, we 4 races of New Eden are not what "we" are. "We" are capsuleers and "we" use ships designed to be piloted by capsule, pod pilots. Even the four races that Pod pilots are culled from don't use Pod pilots ships exclusively. The Amarr fleet that faced the Jove was a Navy fleet, not a Pod fleet. For all we know, Jove have a strict doctrine against using Pod pilot technology.


According to lore, Jovians gave pod technology to the non-jovians (Caldari). The main reason so few people can become capsuleers, is the pods are specifically designed for Jovians and their genetic upgrades.

Basically, any Jove could get the implants needed and hop in a pod. Very few "other" humans can.

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Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2013-05-10 21:07:40 UTC
I love nerds.

They get want they always wanted and still they bicker..... and even start an argument over measurements of relatavistic time.

Please.... carry on.

Need something to read while i oh so easily fit my ship.

BTW - thanks CCP, can i have another ?

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#96 - 2013-05-10 21:22:14 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Vincent R'lyeh wrote:
The Gnosis is a Battlecruiser that a total newbie can fly without even having the BattleCruiser skill.

It's so HI-TECH it only has 'stop' 'go' & 'SHOOT ZE CANNONS' butans..............

Seems pretty advanced to me



Seems more like Minmatar to me... :/


It's actually a Caldari ship. It has a Gravimetric sensor system.
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2013-05-10 21:52:36 UTC
"Aren't the Jove supposed to be light years ahead of us?"

No.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#98 - 2013-05-11 00:23:53 UTC
The joke is on us. The "Gnosis" is just a cheap knock-off that a Jovian high school student built in his spare time from a bunch of scrap parts floating about in space.

When you see the real Gnosis, you'll know what I mean and your pods will need to be hosed out. Shocked

Repeatedly.

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#99 - 2013-05-11 18:15:36 UTC
Personally, I think it's awesome. The fact that it can't use a DCII is even cool, and I figure it is a good balancing factor. I mean come on, it has 6 highs, mids, and lows, and omni resists, and it can fit and bonus any gun. What is not awesome about that? Cool

I'm going to fly at least one in combat just for kicks. Smile
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Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#100 - 2013-05-11 20:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Maxpie
Nevermind

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