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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-05-09 23:31:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Some Rando
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Hmm. Something sounds a little fishy here.

Op states hes only 6 days into Eve. Somehow knows instictively to run to GD to whine about being wardecced. Doesnt post like a noob...instead posts like a longterm highsec carebear...judging by the flavor of tears and tendancy to use math...id say miner. Perhaps methinks a highsec carebear forum alt detected?

Could this be the main?

E: Nah, he's getting losses all over the place.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#22 - 2013-05-09 23:31:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
1. Move to another system / region. Only determined people will follow you.

2. Undock in a free rookie ship fitted with a warp disruptor I and attack him (or drones if they are deployed). Get destroyed. Repeat.

The idea is for you to get some combat experience, and with luck even make the aggressor bored.

Start a convo with him, and ask if he has suggestions for improvement.
Equinsu-Ocha Warthog
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-05-09 23:32:08 UTC
Singoth wrote:


By cowering and complaining, all you will get is a sense of failure.
You should try to be that hero that beats the odds.
You should try to accomplish victory, even if that means losing some fights at first.




You make it sound like it has something to do with my "willpower" or making it sound like im a chicken and high tails it out at the first time of trubble, that is not the case, i am simple out matched here. Vagabond vs Algos, no chace of winning, i think you fail to realize that being a experienced player.

I see all of your posts and im beginning to understand that this is a basic part of eve, but that doesnt mean it cant be changed.
I dont want to join a NPC corporation, no progression, we're working on alliances atm, and we're working towards alot of stuff that im not sure my CEO will be happy i post here, so i wont. but the fact is that corps recruiting new players become easy targets for these guys who only pray on the weak, this is not fair. i know many of you have made it over this period of your character and now it is pretty easy to tell the new commers "suck it up" but i dont think i have to suck it up, i hope the devs will see this post and consider changing things, no major changes, just slight adjustments that make life for newbs easier. I dont want it to be easy, i just dont want to have to fight people with 500 times my skill points the first few days.


Singoth wrote:


By cowering and complaining, all you will get is a sense of failure.
You should try to be that hero that beats the odds.
You should try to accomplish victory, even if that means losing some fights at first.




That is standing up against the odds and trying to be the hero. and you're bashing him, THANKS!

Urban Trucker wrote:


Not survival of the fittest. That is when you are much farther into the game. At the beginning, it is literally "Fend off the 3rd grade bully".

After that, and after you can do that well, it gets better. You can worry about survival of the fittest after that.

At the beginning though, the weak band together, fly together, go about together, and stick together. Cause the weak who are formed together are much stronger than expected.

Aka. make friends, fly in groups. Eve is really a Group Game. Even 1 other person would cause the vaga person to be more cautious.

Don't go it alone.



i hope that quote attempt worked..

thanks for the advise and i agree a lot with the first part.

 - A-10 Thunderbolt II
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-05-09 23:35:34 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Hmm. Something sounds a little fishy here.

Op states hes only 6 days into Eve. Somehow knows instictively to run to GD to whine about being wardecced. Doesnt post like a noob...instead posts like a longterm highsec carebear...judging by the flavor of tears and tendancy to use math...id say miner. Perhaps methinks a highsec carebear forum alt detected?

Hmm. Fishy. Fishy indeed.

Well what true new player doesn't join his first corp 7 minutes after making his first character.
Gwenywell Shumuku
#25 - 2013-05-09 23:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Equinsu-Ocha Warthog wrote:


...but i dont think i have to suck it up, i hope the devs will see this post and consider changing things, no major changes, just slight adjustments that make life for newbs easier. I dont want it to be easy, i just dont want to have to fight people with 500 times my skill points the first few days.



But who makes you? You don't WANT to be in a npc corp (your choice), you WANT to be in THAT corp that can't protect you (your choice), now....why should the game accomodate you?

You have options, use them. EvE won't EVER accomodate you, better get used to it or we will see you complaining about "why do 10 supercaps jump on my drake" .... thats EVE.
Equinsu-Ocha Warthog
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-05-09 23:38:46 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Hmm. Something sounds a little fishy here.

Op states hes only 6 days into Eve. Somehow knows instictively to run to GD to whine about being wardecced. Doesnt post like a noob...instead posts like a longterm highsec carebear...judging by the flavor of tears and tendancy to use math...id say miner. Perhaps methinks a highsec carebear forum alt detected?

Hmm. Fishy. Fishy indeed.


yeah no, i've played many MMORPGs before, and i know if i **** up alot of grammar and make alot of stupid statements ill be eaten alive. i know all this stuff because i ask alot, not because im a "longterm highsec carebear" i use math to fortify my point, and if i had a main, why the hell didnt i just bring him in to kill the guy who was making my life rough?

 - A-10 Thunderbolt II
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-05-09 23:42:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
Urban Trucker wrote:


He makes a point regardless.

Now tears are fine, but this causes a day 1 player to quit the game cause they have no recourse.


No he doesn't have a point because he has many "recourses" that don't involve fighting 1v1.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#28 - 2013-05-09 23:52:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Equinsu-Ocha Warthog wrote:
Hi, i started playing Eve 6 days ago. I really like the game so far, everything execpt one simple thing.

I joined a new player friendly corperation, called The Green Mouse. I meet experienced players who has helped me alot, and I think I have a good grasp of the game so far. I'd consider myself a fairly good player, I'm now able to help other new players in my corp with various tasks that they havent learned about yet. I've been running missions and anomalies most of my time in Eve, both solo and with my corporation members, which has been fun.


Hey, that's great. I've always been really skeptical of "new player friendly" corps because they're often run by people who tell you the line of **** that follows in the rest of your post. That, or they're run by people that started the corp with the sole intention of stealing everyone's ****. I'd say the best noob corps in Eve are RVB and Goonswarm. The faction wars are also pretty good.

Quote:

This is where the fun stops. I'm not going to complain about cirtain ships being overpowered, I'm not complaining about being killed by other players, and I'm not complaining about corporation being able to wage war against other corperations. What I'm going to complain about about new players like me being an easy target in wars.
I'll give you some quick examples from my experience in Eve
- We're at war at the moment against a small corperation with a small corporation, they declared war on us, no reason given.
- I'm a 6 days old character, which means i've had about 144 hours of skill training.
- At the moment I'm hiding in a spacestation from a player with 3 years experience. This guy has about 26280 hours of skill training, and he decided to declare war against my corporation.
- His flying a ship called Vagabond, it would take me 67 days to learn to fly that ship, and then I still need to train to use the modules.

I'm not saying this player is unbeatable or anything, im sure that if we gathered enough players from the corp we could take him down. But I still have no chance against him 1v1.
- He could be a ******** 11 year old boy with only 1 arm and two fingers on his only hand, and he would still ba able to beat me 99 out of a 100 times in a 1v1 duel, which i technically didnt agree to. All he needs to do is scramble my warp drive and activate his guns, and then I would be dead.


There are so many ways for you to do more than sit around feeling useless. You can use an attack frigate to tackle him, an ewar frigate to jam him, or a destroyer to DPS him (or his drones!). Your corp provides free frigates right (right????)?

Hell, you can go somewhere else and keep doing your thing. The incentive for him to follow you all the way across the universe is almost literally nil. You can ask how much the ransom is. Ultimately, You are letting him interrupt your play because you are too lazy to defend your play time.

And finally: there are large parts of Eve where wars really don't matter much. Try moving to low sec, null sec, or WH space.

Quote:

So my point is that there should be some kind of new player benefit. I'm not talking about giving us +100% hit points and damage, nothing like that. But I would like not to be a target of his. It is not a fair fight.

I know a lot of you will say things like:
- "The dont join such a corp"
- "Then log off"
- "You have no idea how hard it was in the early days of Eve"
- "If you dont like the game then leave"

I'm thinking a solution where new players would be "out of bounds" for more experienced players, maybe 6 months or older. Ofcourse everyone could still attack us, but concord would still interfere. If the less experienced player attacked the experienced player concord would not interfere, war like it is today.


Just because you don't personally know the game mechanics doesn't mean that they aren't there to help you do what you need to do. This idea has no place in a sand box PVP MMO. You are being a victim because you want to be a victim. Go do something else, somewhere else. Or undock and kill him - the choice really is yours.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-05-09 23:55:40 UTC
Wait till OP finds out about the three neutral logi alts with the Vagabond...
Yigal Tzadok
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-05-09 23:56:31 UTC
go back to WOW
Urban Trucker
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-05-10 00:14:35 UTC
Yigal Tzadok wrote:
go back to WOW


Productive... anyway.

The forums are just like Eve.. lots of trolls, but some productive people.

Some bits of advice have been put out there. It is up to you to do something. I would suggest a dramatic change in direction. You might as well try something completely new, than sit in the same mess your in atm.

Swap corporations.

I am for sale (Fenrir Freighter Pilot, 1.4 mil skillpoints, cheap)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2982440#post2982440
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#32 - 2013-05-10 00:17:08 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Wait till OP finds out about the three neutral logi alts with the Vagabond...



I was thinking about that while reading posts telling the OP to fight.


But I wonder, and it even seems odd to me, why someone with so much time in game and skill would even bother to go noob harvesting like that. Makes me wonder if the OP is legit.

Also considering the economics: a player with 3 years in game has a lot of time and money vested and is probably using ammo that costs more than his target. The noob harvester is the real loser here. The OP and his crew could lob T1 frigates at their enemy all day and lose, but if they got lucky just once (along with getting really really good with those frigates) they might take down that vaga. I remember an elite frigate getting taken out by a badger a few years ago, so ultimately in "the sandbox" anything is possible.

I know there are noob harvesters out there, but it must take some serious doses of ritalin to maintain an interest in it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#33 - 2013-05-10 00:18:02 UTC
EvE is not a skill game, it is a gear/zerg game. Be patient or learn to zerg.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-05-10 00:20:03 UTC
Equinsu-Ocha Warthog wrote:
Hi, i started playing Eve 6 days ago. I really like the game so far, everything execpt one simple thing.


tl;dr and considering your experience with the game, not worth reading.

Show me an mmo tailored to new players and I'll show you a dead mmo.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Equinsu-Ocha Warthog
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-05-10 00:20:42 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:


There are so many ways for you to do more than sit around feeling useless. You can use an attack frigate to tackle him, an ewar frigate to jam him, or a destroyer to DPS him (or his drones!). Your corp provides free frigates right (right????)?

Hell, you can go somewhere else and keep doing your thing. The incentive for him to follow you all the way across the universe is almost literally nil. You can ask how much the ransom is. Ultimately, You are letting him interrupt your play because you are too lazy to defend your play time.

And finally: there are large parts of Eve where wars really don't matter much. Try moving to low sec, null sec, or WH space.

Just because you don't personally know the game mechanics doesn't mean that they aren't there to help you do what you need to do. This idea has no place in a sand box PVP MMO. You are being a victim because you want to be a victim. Go do something else, somewhere else. Or undock and kill him - the choice really is yours.

-Liang


you are forgetting all the improtant parts of my post.. ill start at the top of what i've quoted.
- first off, he had me cornered in a spacestation, waiting for me to leave. that spacestation wasnt a huge trading hub so even if i had the money i couldnt just put together a brand new attack frigate to kill him.
- im 6 days "old" in eve, i dont have the skills to fit an effective ewar (electronic warfare - what is ar?) and i dont have the the knowledge to do so, i have no idea how to make an effective EW ship.
- destroyer with tier 1 modules vs a vagabond with presumably alot for tier 2 modules, do the math, will it work for a new player like me?
- "hell you can go somewhere els" he had me cornered in a spacestation waiting outside as i said in my first point. ofcourse this is a very rare senario, i see that. but how will i know he isnt allways tracking me with one of thoes agents who can do that from an alt?
- and i was alone in my corp at that time, so they couldnt help me, they dont give me a free frigate no. it is a new corp and what good would a poorly fitted frigate do vs a vagabond anyway?
- i did go to low sec and did an anomaly there with my CEO. we got ganked he lost a drake worth 57 mil and i lost a federation navy comet worth 27 mil at the time. that kind of scared me off for a while.
- all this adds up to your last statement in my quote. how the hell would you undock and kill him in my posistion. please tell me.


i am starting to see that this is a basic mechanic in Eve. and you clearly wanted it to stay that way. i was hoping enough rookies would "thumbs up" my post or whatever you would have to do, to make the devs see that this was an issue. i've read a lot of other posts about rookies being scammed, and baited into duels, that allso happend to me. but in the end i guess not enough rookies watch the forums for this topic to get positive feed back, there are more people who likes hunting bambies and people who are bambies it seems

 - A-10 Thunderbolt II
Equinsu-Ocha Warthog
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-05-10 00:23:48 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Wait till OP finds out about the three neutral logi alts with the Vagabond...



I was thinking about that while reading posts telling the OP to fight.


But I wonder, and it even seems odd to me, why someone with so much time in game and skill would even bother to go noob harvesting like that. Makes me wonder if the OP is legit.

Also considering the economics: a player with 3 years in game has a lot of time and money vested and is probably using ammo that costs more than his target. The noob harvester is the real loser here. The OP and his crew could lob T1 frigates at their enemy all day and lose, but if they got lucky just once (along with getting really really good with those frigates) they might take down that vaga. I remember an elite frigate getting taken out by a badger a few years ago, so ultimately in "the sandbox" anything is possible.

I know there are noob harvesters out there, but it must take some serious doses of ritalin to maintain an interest in it.


thank you! if we were more people online in the corp, i might have taken a chance, but it would be cheaper for me to give him 5 mil and keep my ship than try and fight.

 - A-10 Thunderbolt II
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#37 - 2013-05-10 00:27:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
I'm not drinking tears anymore. I am going to save them and when I have enough I will take a bath in them MWAHHAHAHAHHA!!!
Selene Nask
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-05-10 00:28:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Selene Nask
Do you have enough isk to get another ship or have another ship somewhere else?

Do you have any implants? Is your clone set at that station? If it isn't you can always just 'leave' the ship you're in and leave the station in a pod. If your clone is at that station and there is a medical service move it somewhere else.

If the guy manages to kill your pod then give him a virtual raspberry as you blink away from where he is. Get into another ship and go do something in an area away from where he is.

If you don't have the isk for another ship you could always pilot you're pod to one of the newbie tutorials stations and do a couple of mission to get something decent.


Sure it may seem to some like you're letting him 'win' but in this situation I'd just roll my eyes, suck up a pod death which is nothing at your level and go play in some other area.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2013-05-10 00:28:41 UTC
Urban Trucker wrote:

For those who love those "WoW" references (lord I hate that game). Its the same as a Wizard going into the level 1 newbie yard, and casting a 1000 damage Manaless aoe spell on the respawn, and the guards doing nothing to stop them.


To be fair, it's more like the level 1 newbie joined a guild where he was told someone might be able to kill him without the guards stepping in.

Then the griefer politely said "in 24 hours I'm going to try to kill you".

Then rather moving to a different zone, or leaving the guild, the player just sat there and complained.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-05-10 00:29:08 UTC
2/10... it took effort to build that wall of text.

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