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The beginning of the end for World of Warcraft?
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#1 - 2013-05-09 21:00:55 UTC
I seen this ARTICLE, and thought WoW! I mean, 1.3 million unsubscribed in just 3 months. Do you think it's the beginning of the end for World of Warcraft? Think maybe the end of the subscription based games? Do you think Eve should be worried?

I'm just curious if you think the same thing could happen to EVE since it is subscription based. Please keep it civil, and no trolling or smacktalking because if you do, the thread will be locked. Straight
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-05-09 21:13:02 UTC
doesnt matter how many mmo's i tryed p2p is still far ahead imo ... you just pay a reasonable fee and have everything gameplay wise , f2p cost lot more usually then a simple subscription ...

Maybe its better for companies fast imediate cash flow , which gets steady and so on , or where 1 person will spend the money for 10 if itt was subscription based . I mean 110 euros in one month instead of 10.

So imo sub is still worth it :|

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#3 - 2013-05-09 21:41:18 UTC
Im not sure the drop has anything to do with WOW being a subscription game.
First off its been around for a while with a lot of "clones" or games based around the same idea. Thus it would be easy to just say "bye bye WOW" and jump into another game and find similar game play, better graphics, and more enjoyable story lines and quests.
EVE however is more unique and most games that try to make something similar (spaceships) seems to be trying to make a combination of EVE and WOW which just does not attract that many players.

You also have to consider that its a rough time for people in school with finals and similar, and from my experience in WOW a lot of its player base is younger, or still in college so this is a logical time to stop paying the sub so they will have more time to focus on school related issues.

But also from the last i heard WOW was going down hill because of their introduction of even more daily quests that are not just boring but extremely aggravating and eats up time for little reward compared to the time needed, but for raiders you "need" to do these things just to have "the best" gear when your character is getting raid ready.

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Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-05-09 21:54:41 UTC
Eve is dying.

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#5 - 2013-05-09 22:07:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Edit: Ignore the below. I just realized WoW isn't a micro-transaction game as yet. Just free-to-play up to a certain level, maybe? My WoW Fu is no good....Oops

I don't see how anybody could ever take a micro-transactions MMO seriously. In any MMO you're sort of competing against other players, even if you don't PVP. "Check me out, I've got shiny items because I'm an bad*** in this world and earned them."

If you can just instantly make your character stronger and shinier by buying stuff with real money, it ruins that whole idea of earning your comparative rank in the world. I might explore a game like that for a while, but it would be hard for me to stay interested in it very long.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2013-05-09 22:09:40 UTC
Its the end of the world......of warcraft.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#7 - 2013-05-09 22:23:23 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Its the end of the world......of warcraft.

How do you kill that which has no life?

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#8 - 2013-05-09 22:49:08 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Its the end of the world......of warcraft.

How do you kill that which has no life?


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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#9 - 2013-05-09 22:50:49 UTC
It will get a new influx of subscribers when the film comes out.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#10 - 2013-05-09 22:52:08 UTC
i can't speak for others that have unsubbed...but i can tell you why i quit WoW...

...pandas. the entire pandaria expansion was so disgustingly grindy and hateful i would have deleted my account the moment i first started the quests. and would have...if i hadn't been suckered into a year long subscribtion agreement by getting free diablo 3...which i played for maybe 5 days, beat it on the first tier difficulty and NEVER wanted to play it again.

those gated daily quests are the most horrible thing ever. i started wow in the burning crusade days and i thought that was a grind...lol. WoW has always had a grind factor but MOP just took it to insane levels. even to hit lvl 90 took ages it felt like...by the time i acheived 90...i had no stomach to begin the gear grind. as soon as my agreement expired, literally the very day, i cancelled my sub and sent my little parting letter/reason to blizzard saying "you're crazy for making the game like this." basically.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-05-09 23:36:00 UTC
WoW used to be so good during the Burning Crusade era. 10 man Karazhan was so fun back in the day.

WoW died during the Wrath of the Lich king expansion. Before that expansion, you had to be good to play Wow. Not anymore.

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#12 - 2013-05-09 23:45:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
I don't think you can directly compare the two, OP, as they are so fundamentally different.

With WoW (World of WarCRACK) and clones though, it all comes down to the same thing:

How long can doing essentially the same damned thing for the same damned rewards all the freaking time --with a few better stats here, a different skin-job there, maybe a different-looking/slightly tougher boss-- before it all becomes so mind-numbingly boring?

I was never really a WoW player, but I have been playing SW: tOR --WoW with better storyline and glowy phallus-surrogates for 1337-teens, basically-- a lot in the last year, and the thought of doing another PvE [DAILY] make me want to /face-desk. (The Makeb and GSI staged [DAILY]/[WEEKLY] quest-arcs excepted...at least for now, but only because they're still new to me.)

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Tybalt Hancock
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-05-10 01:31:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tybalt Hancock
Haven't played WoW in a LONG time, but everything I read about the last expansion from various reviews was that it was just the same old thing and he experience was getting tired and overdone. Even the lore doesn't seem nearly as interesting or epic as it used to.

The game has been cloned to death, other fantasy games doing what Wow does better. It was never going to last forever, and you can blame it on pandas I guess.

That said just because they lost that many users don't forget they still have something like 8 million subscribers still running around. Wow is still doing fine
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#14 - 2013-05-10 03:26:50 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
It will get a new influx of subscribers when the film comes out.

This is a cyclical thing. Their convention is sold out, and you can bet that the next expansion will be announced then, with an accompanying surge in subscriptions.

WoW is dying just as surely as EVE is Dying(tm).

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Agustice Arterius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-05-10 04:18:34 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:


if i hadn't been suckered into a year long subscribtion agreement by getting free diablo 3...


Isn't this a large majority of the reason they just lost all those subs? People that bought the year long contract but stopped played and it just ended?

Though, if we want to turn this into a "I hate wow thread" I'm happy to comply, I have enough whaa for that game to fill up a thread myself.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-05-10 05:15:09 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Eve is dying.


I believe it





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Cierejai
Biofuel Productions
#17 - 2013-05-10 05:57:36 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
i can't speak for others that have unsubbed...but i can tell you why i quit WoW...

...pandas. the entire pandaria expansion was so disgustingly grindy and hateful i would have deleted my account the moment i first started the quests. and would have...if i hadn't been suckered into a year long subscribtion agreement by getting free diablo 3...which i played for maybe 5 days, beat it on the first tier difficulty and NEVER wanted to play it again.

those gated daily quests are the most horrible thing ever. i started wow in the burning crusade days and i thought that was a grind...lol. WoW has always had a grind factor but MOP just took it to insane levels. even to hit lvl 90 took ages it felt like...by the time i acheived 90...i had no stomach to begin the gear grind. as soon as my agreement expired, literally the very day, i cancelled my sub and sent my little parting letter/reason to blizzard saying "you're crazy for making the game like this." basically.


People like you are the reason WoW is dying. You don't want to put in effort to get a reward. You just want to click a button and have everything handed to you.

Like everyone else on Earth, Blizzard wants money so they are dumbing their game down to cater to "casuals" like yourself who just want pretty epics without a time/effort investment.

PS: I don't like grinding either.
PPS: I am also an LFR baddy because I don't have to be social to get MUH EPICS
PPPS: ^that's the reason the community is ****^
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#18 - 2013-05-10 06:55:19 UTC
Wow has only been getting better. The skill system, the quests have become more use friendly, more fun and interactive. The classes have become more viable and better rounded.

The only thing dragging down the subscription numbers is that people have played the game for some 8 years now and despite the improvements it's still the same game.

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Tank Talbot
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-05-10 08:41:43 UTC
OP, I have observed so many titles come out and advertise themselves as the WOW killer. All of them failed to meet expectations. What is so sad here is that in time WOW will fade and some game that just happened to come out of development at the right time will falsely claim credit. After this long on the market for a theme park game some decline in subscriptions is to be expected. They have been slowly bleeding subs for a while. The “end” for WOW will be a slow thing.

EVE is a rather unique niche title and I am not sure the common industry themes for more generic titles really apply here. Having a subscription fee will not be EVE’s undoing. However, coding against the will and inclination of one’s player base is comparable to attempting to rule against the will of the people. That is a thing CCP needs to worry about from Odyssey, really since Incarna, onwards in their efforts to make the game more “accessible.”.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-05-10 09:33:50 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Wow has only been getting better. The skill system, the quests have become more use friendly, more fun and interactive. The classes have become more viable and better rounded.

The only thing dragging down the subscription numbers is that people have played the game for some 8 years now and despite the improvements it's still the same game.

That's pretty much my understanding as well. From the anecdotal evidence I've heard old vets have been abandoning it for 2 basic reasons. They've finally become sick of the grinding, with hate for dailies being pretty fierce, and the gameplay elements they're personally interested in are now done better by other MMOs. They still resub to try new expansions, but the new things they provide only keep them mildy interested for a week or two. They've simply gotten tired of the game, have no excitement about where the game is going and have therefore started to move on to other things.
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