These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
First pagePrevious page8910
 

Why 500k?

First post First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#181 - 2013-05-09 19:17:45 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


How much do you care if what you want would make people like me quit playing?



Obviously not at all. For those types like Tarawa, the only thing that matters is what they want, not whats best for the game, the company that makes it or it's community. You can see this with his demand that CCP "fix" hotdropping so that he can go back to null despite the fact that thousands upon thousands of us already live there successfully .

At the end of the day there is no reasoning with them, because their goals are incompatible with the good health and maintenance of this kind of community. But it's nice to see you at least trying to ask, like any respectable elected official would :) .
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#182 - 2013-05-09 19:21:48 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

How much do you care if what you want would make people like me quit playing?

If the difference is irreconcilable, which of us do you think CCP will pick, and why?


EVE provides different areas of the game, that allows for different play styles.

If for you, the goal of the game is to ruin someone's day through the hostile exchange of ammo in space, then CCP offers low and null sec space to accommodate your play style.


Stop. No.

Your vision of EVE is in fact irreconcilable with mine, because I passionately believe that all areas of space are for "the hostile exchange of ammo" and I will never, ever abandon that at any price.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#183 - 2013-05-09 19:28:31 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Your perception and vision of the game is terrible, EVE is one place, not 4 and the same rules apply everywhere (only difference is high sec and concord).



Yesterday, you suggested I need a critical thinking class, simply because I misread one of your posts.

Well, YOU just disproved your own argument, IN your own argument.

Same rules apply everywhere, except where different rules apply. Do you listen to yourself?


That is that SAME as saying that EVE has different areas of space, with different rules.

It is not a very large leap to see that those different areas are designed to appeal to different play styles. You're just too wrapped in your own misunderstandings of the KEY features that make EVE different, that you can't see it.


LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#184 - 2013-05-09 19:32:57 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

Your vision of EVE is in fact irreconcilable with mine, because I passionately believe that all areas of space are for "the hostile exchange of ammo" and I will never, ever abandon that at any price.



And, CCP is going to continue to ignore the calls of you, and people like you, to make changes to the game that would drive people like me out of the game.

I understand why you WANT there to be equal numbers of players on either side of this divide. You want to be able to DEMAND that EVE makes the changes you want, or you will quit.

Best of luck with that. Best of luck, yelling at the sun for rising each morning... Best of luck demanding the sky stop being blue.

The simple reality is, if EVE accommodates various play styles, it will have higher subscription rates than it will if it allows one play style to force out other players with a different play style.



And, you still have not answered the question. If half the high sec players unsub, and CCP goes bankrupt as a result, how will EVE be a better game for you?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#185 - 2013-05-09 19:35:02 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Your vision of EVE is in fact irreconcilable with mine, because I passionately believe that all areas of space are for "the hostile exchange of ammo" and I will never, ever abandon that at any price.



And, CCP is going to continue to ignore the calls of you, and people like you, to make changes to the game that would drive people like me out of the game.


Yet you believe they're going to listen to the calls of people like you to make changes to the game that would drive people like me out of the game?

OK man, see you on the battlefield.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#186 - 2013-05-09 19:36:19 UTC  |  Edited by: LHA Tarawa
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


How much do you care if what you want would make people like me quit playing?



Obviously not at all. For those types like Tarawa, the only thing that matters is what they want, not whats best for the game, the company that makes it or it's community. You can see this with his demand that CCP "fix" hotdropping so that he can go back to null despite the fact that thousands upon thousands of us already live there successfully .

At the end of the day there is no reasoning with them, because their goals are incompatible with the good health and maintenance of this kind of community. But it's nice to see you at least trying to ask, like any respectable elected official would :) .



Let's see. I want EVE to accommodate various play styles. You want to force everyone to play the one way that you want them to play. Hmmm... who is more selfish?

You can reason with me, and in fact, you did a perfect job when you demonstrated that I incorrectly read one of your posts yesterday. What you can't do is reason with me, when you are wrong.

An argument like "The same rules apply everywhere, except where they do not apply" is not going to convince me that the same rules apply everywhere.

Stop being wrong, and you will find it much easier to reason with me.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#187 - 2013-05-09 19:37:15 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

Yet you believe they're going to listen to the calls of people like you to make changes to the game that would drive people like me out of the game?

OK man, see you on the battlefield.


Other than a way to find cloaky campers, exactly what change is it that I want, that would drive you out of the game?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#188 - 2013-05-09 19:38:15 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:

I could not care less what you do or do not want.


That seems to sum up your position pretty well. You want to throw out the people who've built EVE up into what it is and demand that it be remade to suit you, be dambed to those who like the game as it is.

Since you have openly avowed no regard for me and mine, I can reciprocate with a clear conscience.

However I believe that

(1) I will win

(2) You will stick around anyway, and even if you don't admit it to me, you'll like the game better for it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#189 - 2013-05-09 19:39:22 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Yet you believe they're going to listen to the calls of people like you to make changes to the game that would drive people like me out of the game?

OK man, see you on the battlefield.


Other than a way to find cloaky campers, exactly what change is it that I want, that would drive you out of the game?


Malcanis wrote:

Your vision of EVE is in fact irreconcilable with mine, because I passionately believe that all areas of space are for "the hostile exchange of ammo" and I will never, ever abandon that at any price.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Haulie Berry
#190 - 2013-05-09 19:39:35 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


How much do you care if what you want would make people like me quit playing?



Obviously not at all. For those types like Tarawa, the only thing that matters is what they want, not whats best for the game, the company that makes it or it's community. You can see this with his demand that CCP "fix" hotdropping so that he can go back to null despite the fact that thousands upon thousands of us already live there successfully .

At the end of the day there is no reasoning with them, because their goals are incompatible with the good health and maintenance of this kind of community. But it's nice to see you at least trying to ask, like any respectable elected official would :) .



Let's see. I want EVE top accommodate various play styles. You want to force everyone to play the one way that you want them to play. Hmmm... who is more selfish?

You can reason with me, and in fact, you did a perfect job when you demonstrated that I incorrectly read one of your posts yesterday. What you can't do is reason with me, when you are wrong.

An argument like "The same rules apply everywhere, except where they do not apply" is not going to convince me that the same rules apply everywhere.

Stop being wrong, and you will find it much easier to reason with me.


I see you haven't come very far since the good old days of crying profusely over T2 BPOs. Lol
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#191 - 2013-05-09 19:45:39 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:

I could not care less what you do or do not want.


That seems to sum up your position pretty well. You want to throw out the people who've built EVE up into what it is and demand that it be remade to suit you, be dambed to those who like the game as it is.

Since you have openly avowed no regard for me and mine, I can reciprocate with a clear conscience.

However I believe that

(1) I will win

(2) You will stick around anyway, and even if you don't admit it to me, you'll like the game better for it.


I do not want to "throw out" the people that have built up EVE. I, in fact, pretty much love the game mechanics exactly how they are. The one exception, is the cloaky camping.

How exactly is, KEEP HIGH SEC AS IT IS NOW, the same as throwing out the people that built up EVE?


You will not win. You are tilting at windmills.

EVE will continue to be a game with different areas of space intended to appeal to different play styles. Everyone will be welcome. No one will be allowed to drive out the people they disagree with.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#192 - 2013-05-09 19:46:47 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
No one will be allowed to drive out the people they disagree with.


That's why I'll win.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#193 - 2013-05-09 19:48:18 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Yet you believe they're going to listen to the calls of people like you to make changes to the game that would drive people like me out of the game?

OK man, see you on the battlefield.


Other than a way to find cloaky campers, exactly what change is it that I want, that would drive you out of the game?


Malcanis wrote:

Your vision of EVE is in fact irreconcilable with mine, because I passionately believe that all areas of space are for "the hostile exchange of ammo" and I will never, ever abandon that at any price.




I asked an honest question.

You say that I want CCP to make changes to the game that will drive out people like you. Okay, then answer the question. Exactly what game changes am I demanding that would drive out people like you from the game?


You can't answer the question, what changes am I asking for, with a simple reassertion that we disagree.


WHAT changes am I demanding that would drive people like you from the game?
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#194 - 2013-05-09 19:49:31 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
No one will be allowed to drive out the people they disagree with.


That's why I'll win.



Lol.

You can't even win this thread.


baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#195 - 2013-05-09 19:52:57 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:



And, CCP is going to continue to ignore the calls of you, and people like you, to make changes to the game that would drive people like me out of the game.






They seem to be listening to people like me quite a bit lately.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#196 - 2013-05-10 15:16:18 UTC
As the OP' posted what was essentially a rumor post and this thread has deviated way of topic, it gets a lock.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
First pagePrevious page8910