Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yep, but this would let smaller alliances "build and improve" their home space as well... Technically its not much different than NPC Null...

Also This would not make goonz invincible or useless... Only thing it does is decreasing their blob efficiency... Now they would face their enemies with closer numbers instead of 450capitals ripping apart a POS defended by 17 Battleships... And ofc just like the 300 spartans , the spartans would eventually die if the goonz cared to send 100ship wave after wave just to overwhelm the enemy... Its just giving the defenders a chance , Its not penalizing the big ...

tell me again why the larger alliances wouldn't just wait at the entrance to you bottle neck system?

this doesn't feel very sandboxy to me. not to mention a coalition could surely just fill the system with two fleets so nobody could attack at all.

the same answer applies to this problem as it always has. if you are getting curbstomped by someone who can field significantly greater numbers than you... get some friends, crying about it will not help you.

Renting space is an excellent option for new, smaller alliances to get into null sec. If you make it, great! If you're not completely terrible and grow slowly with excellent leadership, someone might just pick you up as an ally.

If you want to be able to plant you flag in the dirt with only a fight you can win, I'd suggest you go live in NPC null, move on to renting and eventually grow into a solid alliance.

They rule. The question is why small groups can't rule no part of space? Can't they rule a small part while the big group rule a big part?

That's called 'Renting'.



Why should a big group let a small neutral one exist inside or right on it's borders? It's a glaring security risk. What if the little guys ally with the enemies of the big guys, and suddenly play host to 200 PL supercaps? Or just go roaming the big guy's space to kill their ratters/miners/etc? Why should anyone have to take that chance?

OP your idea, although well thought out, is still a terrible idea. Large blocks should never be penalised for fighting in large numbers as it is their space that was fought over and won. Null has NPC space for a reason. Go there and build your base of operation and branch out. It not, then approach a large blocks diplomats and talk about renting space in null.

TL;DR null is working as intended.

A lot of this was discussion at Fanfest and the devs seemed of the opinion that the three main issues with large blocs oppressing smaller groups were- power projection, sov grind and sov security/utilisation.

Devs don't seem to be a big fan of jump bridge networks (although I'd argue these have done more for smaller groups that are critically reliant on subcaps rather than jump/bridge capable capitals) and the speed at which capital fleets can cross the galaxy. This allows a big bloc to have many members capable of defending any fringe of a giant empire, allowing them to gobble up large areas of space but to defend them with their full force. If the Roman Empire could have its legions anywhere within the Empire within mere days, they may have conquered most of the globe.

They also don't like the Sov grind and how it favours the rich and the numerous, but also the timezone issues involved. Difficult sov grinds make it very hard for new groups to get their foot in the door even against a smaller coalition. Also, the mechanics are overly complex and they admitted the massive HP pools were just a 'hack' of sorts from back in the day when they didn't expect Supercapitals to proliferate in the way they have.

Partner to this was how easy it is to keep sov you don't use. As anyone who's visited knows, a lot of large blocs have huge swathes of empty space. Between the sov grind and the power projection, anyone trying to invade that space isn't going to have much luck doing so. The devs want to move in a direction that forces owners of space to 'use it or lose it' and change sov mechanics to allow for harassment and take over of space based on activity and utilisation rather than arbitrary grinds.

This !! This is what I was thinking which led me to the idea... I hope the dev's Actually do that... Unfortunately even the forums proves 80% of community are goonz or goon wannabe's so they could cry the real carebear tearz which could push the CCP leave it as it is. (Really is the Lvl4 mission runner or Hi-Sec Miner the real risk free carebear ?? Or the Goon AFK'er who gets the isk through moonz with zero risk hence funding him for any type and amount of ships to throw out)

Anyway I really liked that "Use it or Lose it"... If they somehow manage to do it.. It woud be way better...

+ To ppl who keep telling "rent it then" renting is not an option neither is it even fun for the Goon.. Renting = U are one of the blue blob anyway. If that small alliance could defent the zone it lives one to some degree that would be a game even the goon would like.. Not to afk carebear goon but the pvp'er... Again my idea would be positive to the Tengu pilot who hunts some T2 Cruisers down... But ofc any Tengu pilot who flees from anything bigger than a Retriever would hate the idea...