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Gaps in 3rd party tools?
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Daradz Navagel
#1 - 2013-05-08 18:00:44 UTC
As a new member of the Eve community (four days in), and a developer by trade IRL, I'm curious if the community sees a gap in the set of 3rd party tools that are available today. Are there tools/services that folks are looking for that don't exist, or need improvement? Or even tools for specific platforms (e.g. Win, *Nix, Mac, Mobile, Web)?

I'd like to contribute, but am unsure of where to start.
local009
Event Horizon Systems
The-Expanse
#2 - 2013-05-09 09:18:56 UTC
Golden Gnu
The Golden Gnu Corp
#3 - 2013-05-09 14:54:39 UTC
@local009
I will suggest you join one of the existing projects. Preferable a app you use (a lot) yourself and have ideas to improve.
...or play a bit more, to see what you're missing yourself. Also, do not to expect a lot of free ISK Blink

Creator of jEveAssets - the asset manager

"Download is the meaning of life, upload is the meaning of intelligent life"
Daradz Navagel
#4 - 2013-05-09 15:10:50 UTC
@local009 - Thanks! I reviewed the lists there, and here. It's great to see so many different tools, on different platforms.

@Golden Gnu - I started looking into GTKEvemon. I use machines running Linux exclusively during the day (my only Windows box is my gaming rig), and so I tend to look for tools that will run without Wine. Evemon is great, but there are no plans to support Linux, so GTKEvemon is the next best thing for me. I definitely agree that I don't have enough experience in-game yet to know what I need. :) At a glance, your jEveAssets tool intrigues me! Are you looking for developer help? Re: Free ISK - When you work on open source projects, any kind of payment is the last thing on your mind!
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
HORSE-KILLERS
#5 - 2013-05-09 15:28:21 UTC
http://3rdpartyeve.net for a larger listing =)

3rdPartyEve.net - your catalogue for 3rd party applications
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#6 - 2013-05-09 17:27:29 UTC
Daradz Navagel wrote:
As a new member of the Eve community (four days in), and a developer by trade IRL, I'm curious if the community sees a gap in the set of 3rd party tools that are available today. Are there tools/services that folks are looking for that don't exist, or need improvement?

I'd rather want to see some tools chopped down to very basic functionality.
I.e. EVEMon has grew way past the "little handy tool", and I'm starting to evaluate alternatives.

Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Daradz Navagel
#7 - 2013-05-09 17:56:49 UTC
Tonto Auri wrote:
I.e. EVEMon has grew way past the "little handy tool", and I'm starting to evaluate alternatives.
Tell me more. What specifically are you looking for?
Karbowiak
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-05-09 18:07:07 UTC
There are quite a few projects going on for EVE, but most of them aren't open source, or open to more developers.

The only ones that actually comes to mind is EVEFit, EDK, Kingboard and zKillboard.

http://www.evefit.org/static/pyfa
https://github.com/Kingboard/Kingboard
https://code.google.com/p/evedev-kb/
https://github.com/EVE-KILL/zKillboard

Pyfa is being developed by Sakari and buddies, and they reside on irc.coldfront.net in #evefit
EDK is being developed by a mix of developers, currently i think it's idun who is taking care of it, and they usually talk via: http://www.evekb.org/forum/ or irc.
Kingboard is being developed by Peter Powers, and he chats on irc.coldfront.net in #esc / #esc-dev / #eve-dev :)
And lastly zKillboard is being developed by myself, Squizz Caphinator and few others. We reside on irc.coldfront.net in #esc

There is most likely many others that i can't remember, but yea. Smile
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#9 - 2013-05-09 18:41:44 UTC
Daradz Navagel wrote:
Tonto Auri wrote:
I.e. EVEMon has grew way past the "little handy tool", and I'm starting to evaluate alternatives.
Tell me more. What specifically are you looking for?

Depends on your skill set. If you are familiar with C# development, I would like an "EVEMon lite", only capable of tracking training queue and skills planning.
Hopefully that would bring memory usage down enough. 400Mb is a little over the comfortable threshold for me.

Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Daradz Navagel
#10 - 2013-05-09 18:49:43 UTC
Tonto Auri wrote:
Depends on your skill set. If you are familiar with C# development, I would like an "EVEMon lite", only capable of tracking training queue and skills planning.
Hopefully that would bring memory usage down enough. 400Mb is a little over the comfortable threshold for me.
It's interesting that you bring up an EVEMon Lite. I'm a fairly heavy user of Linux based OSs, and the only comparable tool I found was GTKEvemon, which provides the exact functionality you're looking for. However, for the times that I'm not in front of a machine, I've been thinking of building a small web version of the same tool. Would you use a web version? My C# skills are as sharp as a rusty mallet.Shocked
Karbowiak
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-05-09 18:53:21 UTC
Daradz Navagel wrote:
Tonto Auri wrote:
Depends on your skill set. If you are familiar with C# development, I would like an "EVEMon lite", only capable of tracking training queue and skills planning.
Hopefully that would bring memory usage down enough. 400Mb is a little over the comfortable threshold for me.
It's interesting that you bring up an EVEMon Lite. I'm a fairly heavy user of Linux based OSs, and the only comparable tool I found was GTKEvemon, which provides the exact functionality you're looking for. However, for the times that I'm not in front of a machine, I've been thinking of building a small web version of the same tool. Would you use a web version? My C# skills are as sharp as a rusty mallet.Shocked


http://skillq.net/

Does the basics of EVE Mon, no skill planning tho, but who cares P
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#12 - 2013-05-09 19:14:36 UTC
Thanks for a hint, but the intended use is a netbook, with limited amount of RAM and limited internet connectivity available.

Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Influenca Pandemik
Anubis Logistics and Services
#13 - 2013-05-09 20:26:40 UTC
Make an updated or a new version of xells BPM tool (www.xn7.de)
Aphelion Thunderclap
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-09 22:31:04 UTC
i have a entire list for you feel free to contact me in game
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#15 - 2013-05-09 23:05:11 UTC
Tonto Auri wrote:
Daradz Navagel wrote:
Tonto Auri wrote:
I.e. EVEMon has grew way past the "little handy tool", and I'm starting to evaluate alternatives.
Tell me more. What specifically are you looking for?

Depends on your skill set. If you are familiar with C# development, I would like an "EVEMon lite", only capable of tracking training queue and skills planning.
Hopefully that would bring memory usage down enough. 400Mb is a little over the comfortable threshold for me.



400MB? Weird. I'm only seeing 80 odd. (unless you actually meant megabits(mebibits). In which case you're weird Blink )

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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#16 - 2013-05-09 23:48:12 UTC
Processor Time: 02:38:47.265 0%
Privileged Time: 01:03:18.031 0%
User Time: 01:35:29.234 0%
Handle Count: 631
Page File Bytes: 252444672
Page File Bytes Peak: 305491968
Working Set: 103485440
Working Set Peak: 196632576
Pool Nonpaged Bytes: 64728
Pool Paged Bytes: 373788
Private Bytes: 252444672
Page Faults: 102807544 0/sec
Virtual Bytes: 487895040
Virtual Bytes Peak: 547418112

Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#17 - 2013-05-10 01:54:12 UTC
Image PID Hard Faults/sec Commit (KB) Working Set (KB) Shareable (KB) Private (KB)
EVEMon.exe 4584 0 194,020 81,748 6,000 75,748


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Desmont McCallock
#18 - 2013-05-10 04:12:30 UTC
Guys, it depends on how many toons you are monitoring and with how many features enabled.
Personally I'm at 220MB, but still the RAM usage ain't a big issue unless you use a limited RAM netbook (as Tonto mentioned).
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#19 - 2013-05-10 05:29:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tonto Auri
That's pretty much understandable. I have no (big) issues running EVEMon on desktop.
4Gb RAM (all that is available to Win XP) is enough to run EVEMon, Opera, EVE, and a lot of other stuff side by side with little to no issues.
But on notebook with only 2Gb (or even less) to spare, you have to be very selective of what you run, if you want a comfortable usage experience.

And, yes, I'm only running training queue and skill planner. All other features are disabled. But I have somewhere around 15 characters monitored (some actively, some just serve as plan storage). That's probably the problem.

Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Krazynikomo
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-05-10 10:26:38 UTC
WinXP can handle above 4GB, you just have to switch to 64-bit.

But at the end of the day, it's 2013, WHY ARE YOU STILL USING WINDOWS XP?
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