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[GMVA] Statement of No Confidence: FIO Director Mentas Blaque
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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-05-09 15:08:54 UTC
Damn, Soter, when your ego gets bruised you lash out in style. This is one of the more spectacular huffs I've ever seen.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#22 - 2013-05-09 15:12:44 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Sinooko wrote:
but until weapons are fired things need to be handled cordially.


Ha!

Someone enters your home with a loaded weapon, violates your space uninvited, and you wish to be cordial?

Do you pilot a short spaceship about your business? Did you attend a "special" capsuleer school?

Their intent was perfectly clear, or they would have sent a shuttle.





I would like to confrim that Sinooko does fly a short ship, and went to special school.


But what we are saying that sitatution nver had to reach this stage. Monsieur Blaque has turned the FIO into a secert police that no longer serves the Federation and the Freedoms that it stand for but instead as a rouge element for himself.

Following suit with my friends and collegues at Genstar, Deep Void Mer Syndicate stockholders; well KOS all FIO pilots, ships, and clones soliders. In the eyes of DV-MS the FIO is an enemy to the Federation and it people. In areas where Concord does not hold the law DV-MS will.

Blasters for life

https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#23 - 2013-05-09 15:15:29 UTC
I am noticing an awful lot of villore accords signing this petition. I am not seeing a lot of anyone else.

I somewhat doubt that the FIO is going to crap its pants over a discredited organization demanding by themselves that they be given respect.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-05-09 16:03:15 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I am noticing an awful lot of villore accords signing this petition. I am not seeing a lot of anyone else.

I somewhat doubt that the FIO is going to crap its pants over a discredited organization demanding by themselves that they be given respect.


But Tiberius! They are asking on the IGS!

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
#25 - 2013-05-09 16:42:53 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I am noticing an awful lot of villore accords signing this petition. I am not seeing a lot of anyone else.

I somewhat doubt that the FIO is going to crap its pants over a discredited organization demanding by themselves that they be given respect.


But Tiberius! They are asking on the IGS!


Uh, and who are you?
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-05-09 16:51:28 UTC
Desra Mascani wrote:


Uh, and who are you?


One of the countless dozens of Villore Accords fans!

Petitions! No Confidence!

I've got a fever, and the only cure is more Soter!

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#27 - 2013-05-09 16:52:31 UTC
Desra Mascani wrote:

Uh, and who are you?

Oh dear.

I hope that she does not show you.
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
#28 - 2013-05-09 17:19:21 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Desra Mascani wrote:

Uh, and who are you?

Oh dear.

I hope that she does not show you.


Oh dear, I hope she does.

Maybe somebody else than the militia members here can show they can back their words with battle steel. But I seriously doubt that.
Anton Duvalier
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-05-09 17:38:38 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Sinooko wrote:
but until weapons are fired things need to be handled cordially.

Someone enters your home with a loaded weapon, violates your space uninvited, and you wish to be cordial?


Bringing this back from ad hominem attacks...

One of our points is that this was a diplomatic incident before it turned into a military incident. Why was it handled by FIO & Federation Navy personnel only? Why wasn't a member of the Federal diplomatic service present to try and de-escalate the situation? If our agents were aware of the Minmattar action in advance, why were only military resources called upon?

Once the firing started, of course courtesy goes right out the window. However, no attempt at detente was made. Instead, the agents and officers in charge rattled the saber and exacerbated the situation. Maybe this incident could not have been avoided, but we should have made every attempt to do so.

"Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in this He is closest to God" - Book of Missions 42:5 (Luminaire Scripture Society Edition)
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-05-09 17:41:09 UTC
Desra Mascani wrote:


Oh dear, I hope she does.

Maybe somebody else than the militia members here can show they can back their words with battle steel. But I seriously doubt that.


You can check my record, although I'm not sure I can keep up with your many frigate and destroyer kills. Blink Busy busy busy!

Your combat record is pretty decent though, and if I'm ever in Black Rise I'll be happy to look you up.

Actually better yet I think VIllore should compete in the Alliance Tournament this year; perhaps we will see each other!



Sabik now, Sabik forever
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-05-09 17:42:51 UTC
Anton Duvalier wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Sinooko wrote:
but until weapons are fired things need to be handled cordially.

Someone enters your home with a loaded weapon, violates your space uninvited, and you wish to be cordial?


Bringing this back from ad hominem attacks...

One of our points is that this was a diplomatic incident before it turned into a military incident. Why was it handled by FIO & Federation Navy personnel only? Why wasn't a member of the Federal diplomatic service present to try and de-escalate the situation? If our agents were aware of the Minmattar action in advance, why were only military resources called upon?

Once the firing started, of course courtesy goes right out the window. However, no attempt at detente was made. Instead, the agents and officers in charge rattled the saber and exacerbated the situation. Maybe this incident could not have been avoided, but we should have made every attempt to do so.


The counterpoint is that once the Matari made the decision (again) to cross the border with deadly hardware their intent was clear and represented a danger to the Federation, equalling only one appropriate response, destroying with extreme prejudice.

I believe it was a military incident the second they crossed the border.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#32 - 2013-05-09 17:50:44 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Desra Mascani wrote:


Uh, and who are you?


One of the countless dozens of Villore Accords fans!

Petitions! No Confidence!

I've got a fever, and the only cure is more Soter!


Not gonna lie. I laughed.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Sinooko
Tharumec
Gespenster Kompanie
#33 - 2013-05-09 18:04:27 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Sinooko wrote:
but until weapons are fired things need to be handled cordially.


Ha!

Someone enters your home with a loaded weapon, violates your space uninvited, and you wish to be cordial?

Do you pilot a short spaceship about your business? Did you attend a "special" capsuleer school?

Their intent was perfectly clear, or they would have sent a shuttle.



By all rights the Gallente would have been in the right to open fire the moment the unauthorized dreadnaughts hit the field.

They did not open fire however and instead used the words,

Stolle Colalle wrote:
I honestly don't care one wit about the shooter. Shootings happen every day. They're tragic, we deal with them


I liked Karin Midular and those words angered me. We saw what the minmatar did, and have good reason to fear what the Minmatar may yet do.

It would have been less of a political faux pas if they simply opened fire.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2013-05-09 18:44:06 UTC
Desra Mascani wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Desra Mascani wrote:

Uh, and who are you?

Oh dear.

I hope that she does not show you.


Oh dear, I hope she does.

Maybe somebody else than the militia members here can show they can back their words with battle steel. But I seriously doubt that.


I do not see what this has to do at all with battle steel...
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-05-09 18:45:37 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Desra Mascani wrote:


Uh, and who are you?


One of the countless dozens of Villore Accords fans!

Petitions! No Confidence!

I've got a fever, and the only cure is more Soter!


I see we have something in common *holds up a botlle of wine that reads Merlot d`särkazəm YC103*

A toast to you.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-05-09 19:14:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Silas Vitalia
Caviar Liberta wrote:


I see we have something in common *holds up a botlle of wine that reads Merlot d`särkazəm YC103*

A toast to you.


If you mean ridiculing Soter then you are going to need enough of that wine for most of the cluster.

and the FIO.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#37 - 2013-05-09 19:17:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
I believe that Blaque should be removed from his post for many reasons, and I've done so for quite a while, but the reasons here are not part of why until I see a reliable source that confirms this:
Julianus Soter wrote:
The FIO under direction of Mentas Blaque, has offered no information or the slightest amount of cooperation with the Republic regarding the tragic incident.

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Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-05-09 21:15:25 UTC
Sinooko wrote:
By all rights the Gallente would have been in the right to open fire the moment the unauthorized dreadnaughts hit the field.

They did not open fire however and instead used the words,

Stolle Colalle wrote:
I honestly don't care one wit about the shooter. Shootings happen every day. They're tragic, we deal with them


I liked Karin Midular and those words angered me.


I've heard this from quite a few people, Sinooko, and I have to say I don't agree. Looking over recordings of communication, my impression was that Colalle was trying to defuse a political situation and make it clear that his priorities on the field that day had nothing to do with blocking access to the shooter. That the conflict at hand was solely one of the Federation Navy reacting to a foreign force crossing into Federation space.

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Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#39 - 2013-05-10 00:43:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Julianus Soter
Che Biko wrote:
I believe that Blaque should be removed from his post for many reasons, and I've done so for quite a while, but the reasons here are not part of why until I see a reliable source that confirms this:
Julianus Soter wrote:
The FIO under direction of Mentas Blaque, has offered no information or the slightest amount of cooperation with the Republic regarding the tragic incident.



Thoun Gatarau wrote:
When acting in the best interests of Federal Security, there is no "freedom of information". There is no "the people must know". We make decisions based on maintaining security, law, and order. That is our remit. That is our purpose.

You can feel free to petition as openly and loudly as you like. The Federal Administration will decide if and when details are released, and any such information will be communicated when it does not pose a risk to our ongoing investigations.


This indicates they are not releasing information, to anyone. Much less the Minmatar government.

This makes me highly suspicious of FIO motives in this situation, and directly implicates them in the escalation of the Federation/Republic crisis.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#40 - 2013-05-10 01:19:21 UTC
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This indicates they are not releasing information, to anyone. Much less the Minmatar government.

This makes me highly suspicious of FIO motives in this situation, and directly implicates them in the escalation of the Federation/Republic crisis.


You want to becareful Soter your going end like up like Karin Midular. Sanctioned by your own President Roden, carried out by your own intelligence services.

If not, your alliance must be close to being considered an enemy of the Federation.