EVE General Discussion

It comes down to a simple thing about EVE, the end game is what you want it to be.

OP you obviously view success by the size of your wallet, if that is what gives you pleasure good for you and keep going.

They obviously view success by the number of ships they caught on their roam, and good luck to them too.

Everyone has their own aims in EVE, everyone pays their subscription by one means or another, we do not need to understand the other guy's motivations just learn to deal with it. (incidentally 20km is not a safe distance, t2 warp disruptor has 24km range)

I died?!?! That's news to me!!!

Ohhhhh, I 'get it' now. You mean a cartoon character on the screen 'died.' And then it instantly came back to life again 1 jump away from where it was originally.

I think I'm feeling you now.



Oh really? So in a sandbox game with no explicit objectives or ways to win except for those ways which you personally set out for yourself, any 'reasonable' person would call X a loss and Y a win?

Yeah, you definitely seem to be a 'reasonable' person to me.



Oh really? See statement directly above.



Whatever meager amount of money they forced me to spend (a couple hundred K on a clone - money which can be made back in 5 seconds while twiddling my thumbs), they lost many times over by not using their time and energy on a more productive money-making activity. See how that works? Check out the big brain on this one!

And I fail to see how 'prompting' someone to leave a post on a public internet forum is anything to get excited over. People are 'prompted' to leave dozens of posts on this forum every day. Hell, I prompted you to leave a response to this post... see how that works?



Oh yeah baby. I definitely feel 'owned' right about now. I've never felt more 'owned' in my life. LOL.

Let's see, you posted an example of me 'losing' a free ship - a noobship - as an example of how I'm 'terrible' at a video game. Got it - thanks.

And I wasn't aware that questioning the motivation of others was a crime. I just thought it was being curious. Silly me.

Oh I get it now, in EVE, we define our own goals and how to "win". OP defined his goal as getting podded, ergo he won.

You asked that the hunters motives be explained to you. You seem be unable to see the value in their actions, and strangely enough have managed to rationalize the event as a win for yourself "I cost them all that time or something while only losing a cheap drake and a pod and the time that I spent grinding that Annom." Maybe according to your standards you did win, idk. But to get back to their motives I added a bit to my earlier post, I try to...well here read the post, I will repost here because I like it =-)--->

#8Posted: 2013.05.09 15:34 | Report | Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
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If I want meat on the table for dinner its pretty easy to go to the store and buy a pound of hamburger. But it is a lot more fun to sit in a tree for 2 or 3 hours everyday until a deer walks by. Not because sitting in a tree is fun; but rather because I am gambling all that time and preparation on one very brief moment.

That pitch of the dice down the table, they roll and bounce and clatter along and then the whole world freezes. Time splits, it could go either way, and along each of those paths a very different future exists. In one my attempts to control my life and future have led to naught. The other however is a place that I have exerted some control over my destiny, despite the chaos of life and others actively working against that future.

In RL I need to take the meat to justify the harshness of bloodsport and the loss the animal suffers. In Eve the loss is, as you say, irrelevant. So there is no need to justify it. There is only the excitement of the hunt, of outsmarting and outplaying someone else. And the joy of figuring something out and using that knowledge to take apart a puzzle and to perhaps illuminate the future.

It is a very fine win indeed.

No, i posted an example of you CRYING about lsing a ship lol, in the exact same fashion as you cried here about facing pvp in the most pvp saturated section of EVE lol.

It's obvious to everyone how bad you are at playing EVE, but the best evidence is YOUR posts. We wouldn't know how bad you were at the pass-time you partake in if you didn't post about it lol.



You're not being curious your trying to make yourself feel better because you fail at an activity. No one is saying questioning a motive is a crime. I'm saying questioning the motive of other people playing a video game in an attempt to shift blame for the failure is pretty darn weak.

Many people (in real life) are like you, unable to accept the pain of failure to the point of lashing out at others. if you want to grow as a gamer (I know you don't, just sayin), you'd take responsibility for your failures and use those lessons to get better at having fun in the game.

Sorry for your loss but I would guess you learned from it. You let your greed override your better judment. This was a cheap lesson that would best not be forgoten with better fitted ships.

These are the type of people I enjoy trapping. You kill them a few times and they will move on to easier kills.

Oh, I can definitely fathom doing something in the game that doesn't make me ISK. I can fathom all sorts of things which I will call 'rational' game activities (helping corp take sovereignty over a valuable system, etc). In short, yes, I can see lots of points to lots of activities which don't generate me ISK.

EDIT: Just last night I ran across one of those portable interdiction spheres set up near one of our gates. Enemies set it up to catch folks as they were jumping through. I went to station, got a tornado outfitted with artillery, warped back at a safe distance, killed it, then warped away. Did it generate me ISK (at least directly)? No. Was it worth doing, in my estimation? Yes. I could see instances where the thing could cause severe harm to either myself or my corpmates. Still, it is impossible to calculate who actually 'won' because we don't have all the variables. But from the variables I do have access to, it would seem I 'won' the encounter.

Now, I see less of a point in activities which don't seem to have any 'rational' basis to them by the way I reckon such things, which is why I asked. For instance, I wouldn't spend hours hunting down and killing peoples' ratting ships unless I was somehow coming out better in one way or the other than my enemy. But that's just me. As such, I was curious as to why someone else would do it. I thought there might be something I was missing. But from the responses, that doesn't seem to be the case. People do this because they think it is 'fun' or whatever. And that's fine - everybody should play the game however they like.

For me personally, this kind of activity would be 'fun' if I knew I was causing my enemy some kind of net loss over my own - let's say monetary, but it could also be strategic or something else. But it isn't fun for me when I realize that I am not only not causing my enemy loss, I am actually causing myself more loss than him by foregoing more productive moneymaking (or other) opportunities myself.

I might play someone in a game of chess. That person is of course allowed to play the game however he wishes, and he should do just that. Perhaps he loves taking pawns, and would sacrifice his queen just to do that. Fine. I still might raise an eyebrow though, and ask him why he is doing that.

Now, why am I accruing ISK? That's an easy question to answer. I need ISK to buy plexes to continue playing the game. I also need ISK to buy expensive battleships which I will probably be jumping into in June. In short, I need ISK to fund my game activities, both current and future-planned, and I need to fund my playing the game at all in any capacity (plexes).

Your question was similar to other posters' questions, and it seemed like an honest question, so I answered it as shorthand for answering all at once.

This was the longest way to say *didnt want that drake anyway* possible.

If you don't like the game and think other games are superior, why are you here again?