Science & Industry

Well that explains the tutorial missions.

Just ask the guys who did changes to the POS fuel, at the start fuel blocks where designed 10 times bigger.

We have pushed hard for bottom-up income for years. This isn't new. And we've mulled over many options for increasing income because that's the sensible thing to do, and I hardly see what the point of going "i know all your secrets!!! your evil plans to raise money!!!" when they're hardly secret and they were ideas almost certainly shared with your alliance to try and ameliorate your alliance's loss of income from tech. None of them are final and the cynojammer idea, in particular, we think we can shelve thanks to the rorqual being bad at ice compression and was more a 'what if we did this' idea.

The real issue here isn't at all that this is going to hurt "miners". It's that it's going to hurt your specific type of massive multiboxing mining. What we are interested in cultivating is mining as a thing regular people do, rather than just massive operations here or there. Currently the only people who mine in null are people massively multiboxing, because mining is the only thing that scales well to that. But that doesn't make the massive multiboxer a representative of what mining should be. And nothing proposed is actually destroying ice mining: it's revitalizing it as a common profession at the expense of the 50-man mack fleets.

Also your math on where ice is demanded is hilariously off. It's just that everyone uses jita because it's jita. Highsec easily supplies its own demand through its ice with highsec ozone. I expect we'll be buying our ozone locally once mining it becomes a thing, rather than (as we've done in the past) buy compressed DG off jita markets.

That will make T2 ships and Modules crazy ass expensive 3k racial ice blocks every 4 hours given that there is only 2-4 ice systems worth mining due to location in most regions. I really don't see how this is going to be workable.

And quite frankly the same amount of racial ice blocks in 0.0 lowsec and highsec is the most ******** thing I've yet to see. Its gonna take an hour if even that to clear out a 0.0 belt after that its waiting for 4 hours or go to a titan move to the next system which will force you to have more towers setup.

You're turning this piece of **** game into a second job rather then a freaking game.

Dear Fozzie,

I was super excited about the expansion until I seen the numbers in this post... my heart sank... 2500 every 4 hours?

I love the dynamic belt idea of it moving around, that's pretty cool. But that number is about 100x less then it should be.

I do not understand the "design requirements" used in these ice mining changes? How why did you come up with this?

Then the problem is even more compounded with the release on SISI. And investigated the sites and the ice asteroids are TINY! With only 90 to 150 this is not going to go well. Basically took all your excellent BOT suppression changes recently and gave it RIGHT back to the bots having the advantage! You had a chance to really fix the ice mining profession with game design. But choose instead to use artificial regulation and complication, alienating the HUMAN miner, and making thing easier for the bots and shifting resources to the bullies of eve (nullsec.) Now don't get me wrong I love the bullies and I think Nullsec is necessary and exciting, but I will never mine there because it is impossible to secure properly (debate it if you want but you can't with current game mechanics. The tempo always goes to the aggressor.)

So here are a few things I have heard once explaining the changes to the ice fleets. (Concentrated "tears" for some, a word of caution for others.)

"The sandbox is dead."



"The sandbox is a lie. (Imagine written in blood on the side of a white glaze roid.)"

"So CCP does not want casual multiboxing anymore?"

"This is what the Native Americans must have felt like. Having their culture and way of life destroyed and livelihood made almost extinct. And then to add insult to injury told they can move to a more hostile environment, it will be ok."

"They (nullsec) could not win with wardecs, gankers, terrorism, or bumpers. So they just elected a CSM to foster a hate for highsec and slowly and surely the devs are removing it."

"The flogging will contiune until you play the game we want! (mockingly)"

"Well this sandbox looks great from far away until you play for a while and start looking for cooler toys... realizing that all the cool toys are being controlled by all the older kids that exploit you just to get to see them. But you never have fun with it. I think I am going to go play on the swingset."

"They did a great job disusing the fact that they are gutting highsec of resources and giving the potential to nullsec. Too bad the workforce won't follow not out of unwillingness but because they can not. "

"Why did they change that was it broken?"

" so the general consensus so far is that CCP is going rather heavy handed on the ice belt nerf?"

"Well I just got kicked in the nuts."

"Wow, obviously non of the devs have been in an ice mining fleet before."

"So ice mining and ore mining are exactly the same now, super more gameplay nullification"

"Ice miners, line up and step onto the train... it will be ok."

Anyway enough of the QQ it could go on forever. I have over five years of experiance and over 2 years of data that I would not mind sharing in private. If you would care to debate/discuss this more I don't mind. Contact me ingame for more details.

Respectfully,
ComDS CXO EE

I hope you appreciate those smallpox blankets we will be giving you.

Literally a Trail of Tears.

Yikes. Thread won. Put a fork in it.

My response was "Maybe CCP will let you build tax exempt casinos in 100 or so years" Too soon?

it's all fun an game's now