EVE New Citizens Q&A

It's true that the tutorial is pretty bad at covering all the aspects of the game, and especially the various scams.

Unfortunately, if you play any other MMOs, you probably won't see much better, as far as tutorials go. The game may hold your hand for the first 10 levels and restrict you to a newbie area, which makes it safer, but as far as tutorials specifically, they all just pretty much only cover the basics of the UI and only the very basics of gameplay.

The hostile replies you're getting are because you're calculating your "value proposition" from a new player's point of view. We're an established playerbase, and like ALL playerbases out there, we're interested in continuing to play the game as it is. Not "dumbed down." We've already accepted the value proposition and we'd like it to not change.

It would be somewhat impossible for CCP to modify the tutorials every time 400,000 players come up with new ways to scam each other. And believe me, we research new ways extensively. It's all we do all day, quite a few of us.

The game is being marketed as a gritty, tough MMO where scamming and all sorts of nasty things are allowed between players. It's the niche CCP has chosen, and if it's not the game for you then it's not the game for you. It's better that you experience the dark sides of it now, with a few million ISK, rather than later with a few billion.

You should be warned that, now that you've posted this way here, you will likely have bounties on your head in-game, and be hunted actively through locator agents (they tell us where you are) and through the People and Places Contacts system (it tells us when you are online). Corps you join will be declared war against; people may recruit you to scam you or just to be able to kill you repeatedly without Concord interference. Random neutral alts can follow you around to establish a pattern of where you're going. You'll be attacked, for no explained reason, multiple times.

This is the game. Consider yourself tutorial'ed.

We like the politics, the backstabbing, the drama, and the vicious nastiness that's going on. Can't get it anywhere else.

Uhm...Vil. YOu might forget the Buddy Invite sticky. Where newbs are given multi millions for using an invite

That is why many of us is still here I think.

With (many) games being what they are today it's refreshing to find one that doesn't even want to try and hold your hand.

Scam victims are greedy. You got what you deserved.

Welcome to EvE Online.

OP - As a new player (of only 5 days), I empathize with your loss, but I also agree with all the replies in this thread that basically state "you should've done your research".

I've played WoW, and most recently GW2 - You know what I got sick of, and joined Eve because of? The constant gentle guide in each of those environments. Everything that I read about Eve before joining (even the scamming, lying, cheating, etc.) convinced me to join, because this game is as close to real life as it gets. The only difference is that when I'm frustrated, or I suffer a loss, I can leave, and come back when I'm ready with a clear mind without worrying about providing for my family.

Asking CCP to make changes in an environment that they purposely designed to address your problem is like complaining to your legislator that what you ordered on Ebay isn't what you received. However, in this case, unlike Ebay, with two clicks, you could've validated that what you were ordering was really what you intended to.

If you choose to stay, good luck.

If you don't, here's a list of other MMORPGs that may fit what you're looking for.

As for your concern that new players sub with money and old players sub with isk, those plex have to be purchased with cash before they can be injected into the server. That said those old players who plex 8+ accounts are actually providing a welcome isk sink to ccp. They love the die hard, multi-boxing, isk sinks that are dedicated decade long players.

I hate to throw the HTFU argument... but if getting scammed once breaks you, this probably isn't the game for you. EVE is not as forgiving as most games you have ever played, every choice you make has potential consequences. It's up to you to take care of yourself. Most of us are here specifically because the game doesn't force us to play within any arbitrary set of rules. If it can be done within the mechanics of the game, it's legal. It saves CCP from having to babysit people, and allows players to be creative/devious in ways that no other game environment allows.

Welcome to New Eden.

Neither Concord nor the faction police do any such thing, and this pretty well highlights why nobody is overly interested in what a brand new player feels "must" be changed about the game.

Hell, the faction police won't even be particularly miffed if someone opens fire on you, and even Concord will generally finish their coffee and donuts before stepping in to break it up.

Note to OP...HTFO and continue playing or leave. But stop your whine thread.

CCP ain't doing it wrong. They made the game like this because they wanted to make it like this.

YOu want WoW in space...that ain't EVE...There is no safe space in EVE...you clearly can't adapt...so following what Charles Darwin found out centuries ago, you will die.

Bye bye, don't let the door slam you in the ass when you return to your rollercoaster, themepark MMO.

Edit:

"Friends" of mine who like to ruin the day/gameplay of people like you have found about this thread. Good luck.

Sorry.

Well, nkw that you are here too. Let the party get started.