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Just Another Work Around for Gankers in Hi Sec
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The Reaper J
Kings.Guard.
#61 - 2013-05-08 11:25:13 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
OK I will try not to be disrespectful.

Deep breath.

Count/accusation 1. "you have all been here since near the beginning"

This is largely untrue. While I can only speak for myself I have been playing for much less than 3 of the ten years of eve. Furthermore the game mechanics are completely different in most regards than (just) those three years ago. To survive in eve one has to be willing to constantly do their homework (or find someone who does and BELIEVE THEM). Otherwise, you will find what was good last patch has been changed nerfed or (most commonly) countered.

2. "You are all ***hole sociopathic etc"
Please remember you came to this forum. Started this thread. And began with a highly belligerent manor to tell us all that we are being given some kind of game changing advantage. You did this without understanding the mechanics firstly nor understanding that until release who knows how these tags will be applied. Then for extra insult you claim that this is all the worse without understanding this is the most safe it has ever been for new players.

3) "CCP causes disconnect on every fight"
Finally, there is a very likely real cause for this. And it has nothing at all to do with your internet. Most likely you have a very poorly setup over view. Given that most WD targets are going to be in trade hubs I imagine you are trying to fight there. But even a busy mission hub will be similar. When you launch drones and engage targets your overview can become flooded and can in extreme cases cause client side lag. As a result of the client being less stable the program can close the sockets or what ever. Believe it or not this USED to be a valid tactic. In times before mine you could spam a target with chat requests and lag them out.

In closing if you are looking to understand and ask questions, try to show the same respect you demand in the first place. Know just who you are talking to. And if you are going to make wild claims expect to be expected to back them against all comers.



TL:DR Attempt to politely tell OP he started with whining and then felt attacked. Tried to offer solutions to connectivity in combat issues that do not require a t


First of all, i can say for sure, i do not use a cluttered overview. I use a custom overview, and i also drop the detailed graphics a little to prevent lagging. This is something i have been taught from the beginning already by null sec pilots.

Well now, when it comes to showing respect, i tried that, it did not work, even being rude did not work. So what else is there to try? And if you read some of the posts i had in detail, you would see that i have been respectful in some of what i said, and you will also see, that i eve thank those that respectfully discussed the thoughts or ideas. I do understand, that it is necessary to read up on some of the updates. However, I have a real life and business to attend to as well. Unfortunately i cannot sit everyday reading updates, and reading loopholes, and reading every single post on the forum.

I simply try to do what i can to learn. Sometimes i may end up mentioning something that is in the game already, and I DO NOT KNOW ITS THERE. Maybe that's because i have not been playing for years, like a lot of you, and the fact that i have a real life and business to attend to. I cannot site on Eve 24 hours a day, 7 days a week like some of you may possibly be doing. I merely make suggestions from my experiences and various new players that have experienced the same. I do respect players that respect me when they actually discuss it, and not act like ***holes, giving me **** about comments i make. Those players at least get a thank you.

And no there is no crying here. Those that seem to forever think there is crying, clearly they enjoy crying a lot themselves to continuously use that term every time they see someone make a comment they don't like. Same with whining.
The Reaper J
Kings.Guard.
#62 - 2013-05-08 11:31:57 UTC
Anh teritz Tobal wrote:
I have noticed here that there is some doubt to the utility of these Tags. I can see one use.

I am a high sec carebear, but there are a few people I meet who I feel deserve Ganking. I have the tools but grinding sec status in highsec is harder I believe than in Low or Null. If I could just buy my sec status back up it would be convenient. So tags for sec would definitely have a place for the weekend pirate.

I therefore politely suggest that Tags4Sec could well make high sec more dangerous and perhaps engender a wider understanding of the pirate lifestyle..


Now this is a more respectful way to discuss something. Although i only partly agree with you yes, it could be beneficial for the weekender pirate i guess. But then there should be a way for other members in high sec to benefit more if pirates are going to get a good benefit like that. I have no idea what right now though. Thank you.
Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-05-08 12:42:02 UTC
Everyone knows highsec gankers are afraid to go to lowsec.
Penny Unwise
Doomheim
#64 - 2013-05-08 12:57:09 UTC
The Reaper J wrote:


And no there is no crying here. Those that seem to forever think there is crying, clearly they enjoy crying a lot themselves to continuously use that term every time they see someone make a comment they don't like. Same with whining.


THEY ALL FLOAT

DOWN HERE
flakeys
Doomheim
#65 - 2013-05-08 14:01:42 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
aaii tog...

Vir iemand wat in vrede will wees... jy hou daarvan om mense se attention op jou te sit.

Ek sou sterk aan geraai het dat jy seker maak oor hoe die goed werk voor jy hierdie post gepost het. Hierdie gaan tien teen een net nog kak veroorsaak.



Your south african?As a dutch guy most words there made sense ... and here i allways assumed your american.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Andrea Griffin
#66 - 2013-05-08 14:49:27 UTC
Sir Marksalot wrote:
Andrea Griffin wrote:
I do find the "Tags 4 Sec" program to be pretty funny. [...] Those who will benefit from the ability to purchase security status seem to be a pretty small group. I guess if you bought a character, maybe? I dunno.
It could prove useful to me depending on how CCP balances it~
Can you explain a bit more? I'm guessing to offset the occasional suicide gank / Burn Jita event?

CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#67 - 2013-05-08 15:09:32 UTC
The Reaper J wrote:
I do understand, that it is necessary to read up on some of the updates. However, I have a real life and business to attend to as well. Unfortunately i cannot sit everyday reading updates, and reading loopholes, and reading every single post on the forum.

......Maybe that's because i have not been playing for years, like a lot of you, and the fact that i have a real life and business to attend to. I cannot site on Eve 24 hours a day, 7 days a week like some of you may possibly be doing.

..... I do respect players that respect me when they actually discuss it, and not act like ***holes, giving me **** about comments i make.

...clearly they enjoy crying a lot themselves to continuously use that term every time they see someone make a comment they don't like. Same with whining.



Respect is not a two way door.

If you come into C&P with the attitude that See + Pee'rs are beneath you, what do you expect to happen.

Are you actually planning on using this new "feature"? If not, Im not sure how it impacts on your game. And if it doesn't impact on your game, what is it that you actually want to hear from this thread?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#68 - 2013-05-08 18:16:30 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:
Sir Marksalot wrote:
Andrea Griffin wrote:
I do find the "Tags 4 Sec" program to be pretty funny. [...] Those who will benefit from the ability to purchase security status seem to be a pretty small group. I guess if you bought a character, maybe? I dunno.
It could prove useful to me depending on how CCP balances it~
Can you explain a bit more? I'm guessing to offset the occasional suicide gank / Burn Jita event?

There's two scenarios:

a) TAGS cost enough that it's still worth your time grinding sec in 0.0
b) TAGS are cheap enough that it's worth buying them and restoring sec that way
OPTIONAL c) you're rich enough not to care about the balance and will buy them to save time.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#69 - 2013-05-08 22:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
The Reaper J wrote:


I simply try to do what i can to learn. Sometimes i may end up mentioning something that is in the game already, and I DO NOT KNOW ITS THERE. Maybe that's because i have not been playing for years, like a lot of you, and the fact that i have a real life and business to attend to. I cannot site on Eve 24 hours a day, 7 days a week like some of you may possibly be doing. I merely make suggestions from my experiences and various new players that have experienced the same. I do respect players that respect me when they actually discuss it, and not act like ***holes, giving me **** about comments i make. Those players at least get a thank you.



So you don't know how anything works with ganking but know you don't like ...what exactly now?

C'mon everyone chill out HE has a real life and business. We should all applaud him that he's made it that far being this dumb.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#70 - 2013-05-08 22:47:52 UTC
The Reaper J wrote:
But then there should be a way for other members in high sec to benefit more if pirates are going to get a good benefit like that. I have no idea what right now though. Thank you.


Highsec residents can go lowsec diving to rat for tags. Yes, it is dangerous but my word lowsec can be fun. Honestly, you should consider giving it a go so you can profit from lowsec pirates.

But do it in a cheap ship because you will probably die.

And while you are there please stop by some novice FW plexes in a cheapT1 frigate. You might even enjoy it...

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#71 - 2013-05-09 07:52:40 UTC
The Reaper J wrote:
But then there should be a way for other members in high sec to benefit more if pirates are going to get a good benefit like that.


Highsec players benefit from this the same way everyone else does. There is nothing that prevents highsec players from buying these tags, or from going to low/null and collecting and selling them (in fact I think there'll be a bunch of new players in low making a career from that)

You seem to be of the opinion that everything in game should be available to highsec residents without any of the risk or effort required.

In that case, wrong game buddy
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2013-05-09 08:50:55 UTC
Zappity wrote:
-edit-


...lowsec... it is dangerous but my word lowsec can be fun....


But do it in a cheap ship because you will probably die. ...
I agree.
Dub Step
Death To Everyone But Us
#73 - 2013-05-09 10:00:30 UTC
The Reaper J wrote:
remove hi sec space. There is no point to it.


I wholeheartedly agree with this. All it does is allow babbies to play in relative safety and provide an easy way for people to gather up ISK without actually participating in the competetive element of the game.
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2013-05-09 11:42:01 UTC
Dub Step wrote:
The Reaper J wrote:
remove hi sec space. There is no point to it.


I wholeheartedly agree with this. All it does is allow babbies to play in relative safety and provide an easy way for people to gather up ISK without actually participating in the competetive element of the game.
Trading isn't competitive?
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2013-05-09 12:00:38 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:
Sir Marksalot wrote:
It could prove useful to me depending on how CCP balances it~
Can you explain a bit more? I'm guessing to offset the occasional suicide gank / Burn Jita event?



Nothing that special. It's just that I'm swapping over to mass-mining instead of mass-ratting due to the hub nerfs/ 0.0 industry buffs. I'm still trying to figure out how to manage T2 crystals on a large scale, but it'll be easier than ratting and better isk.


Khanh'rhh wrote:

There's two scenarios:

a) TAGS cost enough that it's still worth your time grinding sec in 0.0
b) TAGS are cheap enough that it's worth buying them and restoring sec that way
OPTIONAL c) you're rich enough not to care about the balance and will buy them to save time.


C~
Dark Clone Monk
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-05-09 13:07:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Dark Clone Monk
oops
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2013-05-09 13:27:39 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
aaii tog...

Vir iemand wat in vrede will wees... jy hou daarvan om mense se attention op jou te sit.

Ek sou sterk aan geraai het dat jy seker maak oor hoe die goed werk voor jy hierdie post gepost het. Hierdie gaan tien teen een net nog kak veroorsaak.



Your south african?As a dutch guy most words there made sense ... and here i allways assumed your american.


What made you think American?

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Kimo Khan
Rage Against All Reds
GunFam
#78 - 2013-05-09 13:37:59 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
aaii tog...

Vir iemand wat in vrede will wees... jy hou daarvan om mense se attention op jou te sit.

Ek sou sterk aan geraai het dat jy seker maak oor hoe die goed werk voor jy hierdie post gepost het. Hierdie gaan tien teen een net nog kak veroorsaak.



Your south african?As a dutch guy most words there made sense ... and here i allways assumed your american.


What made you think American?


I can think of many reasons why not American. And no I am not kissing up.
1. Very eloquent in his writings, it shows a well educated person who also knows etiquette. America have very few people who write like that anymore.
2. While he sometimes show arrogance, he does it with style and respect. Americans are just brash and arrogant, not stylish and arrogant.
3. He occasionally uses words which are not really spoken in America but are in Europe.
eddie valvetino
Victory or Whatever
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#79 - 2013-05-09 14:02:02 UTC
Sir Marksalot wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17588879 I thought this was good.


But this is just art. Beautiful art. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15081055


indeed a work of fine art
flakeys
Doomheim
#80 - 2013-05-09 14:08:49 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
aaii tog...

Vir iemand wat in vrede will wees... jy hou daarvan om mense se attention op jou te sit.

Ek sou sterk aan geraai het dat jy seker maak oor hoe die goed werk voor jy hierdie post gepost het. Hierdie gaan tien teen een net nog kak veroorsaak.



Your south african?As a dutch guy most words there made sense ... and here i allways assumed your american.


What made you think American?



For the same reason when i have a woman on the Phone i think she is either hot or buttugly .... a hunch :)


We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.