EVE New Citizens Q&A

Well, as a noob I sympathise with the OP.

I don't think the general mechanics of EVE gameplay need overly tinkered with, but every game needs a safe learning environment.

It's all very well for experienced players to tell us to "stop whining" - but they can bounce back from multi-million ISK scams. It is harder for us.

EVE is a game, we are supposed to be having fun. The noobs are the only actual paying customers after all.

Please...give more rage tears.

The trade scam you fell for is as ancient as the game is and many posts about it.

EVE has a climbing sub rate ever since they started a decade ago, please tell me how your bankrupcy fits in there and name any other MMO that pulled that off.

The people who fall for scams and then whine about are exactly the people who wont continue playing EVE very long. And most of the players rather see 3 good new players joining each day over 30000 retards that whine when stuff happens to them.

So...as mandatory in such threads like this....hello kitty online, that way >>>>>.
Before you leave...can I have the stuff you collected.

You all DO realise that using plex to pay for your game time actually nets CCP more profit, right?

And what makes you think that every old guy has multi millions of ISK.

And first rule of EVE. Dont use whatever you cant afford to loose. So if you have 1mil and risk it all on a single deal and loose it....your own damn fault.

Noobs are the only customers....are you really that stupid. So my 10 accounts that I have to fund means Im not a customer. In what weird logic you pretend that is reality is that true.

Also you do know that PLEX that is sold on the market comes from other players that bought that with RL money. They dont just appear, any PLEX in the game is bought with RL money and thus CCP made profit out of it.

New player input...yes.
Whining and raging people who fell for something that is easily googled about....no

Its your own fault you fell for the scam. In 10 years of EvE there are actually thousands of threads about almost every scam possible. Hell, go to C&P forums and look there....


Whine all you want...CCP cant patch stupidity out of the game.

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Scammer did you a favor as you most likely would have lost that Navy Aug anyway....bigger isnt better. You would have found that out the hard way.

Old guys find it easier because they DID research and didnt fell for the oldest trick in the universe.
Newbs arent tergeted (if they were the scammer would be where newbs are, not in general trade hubs) its just that some people expect hello kitty online and fall for it. And then whine about it...

I dont scam and dont really support it. But its part of the game, deal with it instead of whining about it.

The OP is just some whining guy and with how he posts I dont even think he will stay in EVE for more then 2 months...

It's a trap!

Firstly, whenever I do get ships via the trade window, even if it says Navy Issue (or whatever) I always right click on the icon and "show info' tells you right there what it is. The fact you got scammed without reading and double checking... You wouldnt buy a car, handing over the money without first checking it would you?

a) Learn from this mistake, and become better at EVE for it by realising you must check everything.
b) Ragequit... Can I have your stuff?

OP your still not quite getting it. You assume that you are somehow informing CCP of some vital piece of information they have overlooked in their business model. They know. They designed it this way. Your interaction with players is your tutorial. They give you just enough to enter into that. You lost your ship before you even got to fly it. exactly how long were you planning on holding on to it after you bought it? Were you planning on undocking it? Whether it happens the first time you undock or not undocking=losing the ship. You were attached to a bunch of pixels before you even had the artificial control of those pixels and now you are offended because that model of ownership has been violated. You think it is about the business model and some error in calculation that CCP has made. It's not. If you want to enjoy the game, I really suggest looking at that and considering why you really posted. If you do not get to that, this game will massively suck for you as long as you can stand it and the possibility of making it massively suck for you, regardless of any conditions you might wish to place on that, is why many, many people log on to the game at all. You are the business model in this thread, though I recognize that to the extent you may see that, you disagree with it.

The largest dilemma they have is really 'how much structure/protection should they give?' Information will not do it. It would have to be structure. You already had access to all the necessary information. I know this because of course I have seen this exact scam and was able to very simply find the information on it. You are basically saying you are smarter than I am. i accept that proposition. This means that access to information, even for a clever fellow such as yourself, is insufficient.

If they give you too much structure you never enter into these valuable learning relationships that also constitute play for other players. I don't suppose you have thanked your scammer yet have you? It is a very different mind set and it is very different than what you are suggesting about 'value propositions'. You have a value proposition in mind. It is not the same one that CCP seems to have. They are not unaware. Your condition is the strongest possible evidence that something along the lines of what I am suggesting is the case. The 'sandbox' is itself not the value proposition. The sandbox enables player driven content. That is primary thing. There is a vast amount of evidence for this readily available if you look, simply in terms of not only what CCP 'allows' to happen, but what they encourage to happen.

How did you come to EVE? For many new players it is specifically the publication and awareness of the big player driven events, massive space battles, massive 'robberies', etc. which make them aware of the game. That is what is distinctive about the game. Not the new player experience, not the graphics, not the mechanics of combat or market, in and of themselves. That is what keeps many players playing. You have just lived that business model and you don't like it. No problem with that. (Well... Actually what you are complaining about in the NPE is pretty distinctive, though you do not currently value it.)

Well... Internet spaceships... But really people wanting a StarWars dogfight version of that also seem to post threads about their disappointment.

You payed a very small price for your tutorial and very early in career. Some people don't encounter this for a long time, it seems to me, though they are equally offended and enraged when they do encounter it. It was not 'fun' for you, so you imagine it is not 'fun' and so violates something you believe to be true about the 'right' business model. It was immensely fun for the scammer. They are loving this thread if they are aware of it. You paid for a couple of weeks of play for them, should they so wish, which comes from someone else having bought PLEX, maybe you if you are selling PLEX to buy your shiny faction ship.

Just for balance sake, there seem to be people who play the game to avoid all contact with this aspect of the business model, which can equally enrage people who are attached to that. They might advocate that CCP force you into such situations with a tutorial. Same argument, just a different point of attachment. CCP has to navigate that tension. You not only think they got it wrong, but that they did so by oversight, incompetence or negligence. I don't think that is the case.

I will suggest something else even more offensive. Scams only work in the presence of greed. I don't know how badly you wanted your faction ship, but it is likely that if you wanted it badly enough, even in the presence of all sorts of tick boxes, regulators and warnings you would have found a way to successfully get scammed. After all, you already managed to override all the readily available information on that particular scam. I am trusting in your ingenuity to have outsmarted such constraining things in order to attempt to get the thing you apparently really wanted. I could be wrong about that though.

When you now successfully avoid scams, teach others to do so, embark upon a path of righteous retribution against all the evil scammers, become a scammer yourself... However you respond, having actually internalized what happened and why you even care about it... It is likely to become 'fun' for you too. Until that time, as long as you assume CCP incompetence (for which there is also evidence in other areas) the game will just anger you. If you want a place to be angry, that could work for you. Without the player interactions, which create almost every artifact in the game, including the shiny ship you want, EVE more or less sucks as a game... That should tell you all you need to know about the business model, and how you are currently contributing to it.

The moment you leave the noob systems you're free game like everyone else


Also new players are **** targets for scams since they are generally poor..