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Gnosis: Why is it so Terrible
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Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-05-08 15:29:53 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Mavnas wrote:
At 900m3 of space and 5 turrets, it's the best gas miner now, isn't it?


Venture.


Oh that's right. They added something for that. Well, I take that back.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-05-08 17:05:53 UTC
Josilin du Guesclin wrote:
I don't where this idea that shield ships are fast comes from. Speed tends in practical terms tends to be more about how long one can run the MWD than the raw speed of a BC.


Lack of mass/speed penalties for the buffer/rigs
Free lowslots that can be used for nanos/Overdrive/inertia stabs
Enough mids to be able to fit dual prop and tackle
Hootanany
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-05-08 18:09:51 UTC
Juicy Pop wrote:
For one, I don't believe it is of true Jove origin, SoCT was merely found by a Jovian.

Plain and simple, it is an exploration boat with a uniquely flexible load-out.

It has certain areas where it may shine, but you cannot hope to see every other BC mimicked well in one hull.


Dont seem to able to get the Gnosis into and high sec DED plex sites, jump gate flags it for being a battlecruiser.

Dev's keep the stats be it needs to be reclassed asa cruiser.
Kat Bandeis
Trinity Industries Corp.
#44 - 2013-05-08 18:21:06 UTC
Juicy Pop wrote:
For one, I don't believe it is of true Jove origin, SoCT was merely found by a Jovian.

Plain and simple, it is an exploration boat with a uniquely flexible load-out.

It has certain areas where it may shine, but you cannot hope to see every other BC mimicked well in one hull.


This. The cost of entry for a good (ie, tanky) exploration ship is great for this boat, unlike something like a Pilgrim. I've been playing with a few various fits, and it's been working great for me. Planned to fit it out for exploration/combat sites in the next couple days just to play around, but i really like the versatility on this boat.
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-05-08 19:08:05 UTC
It has more slots than other BCs, obviously you will run into lack of fitting if you try to fill all with high req stuff.
Innabiggahurry
Doomheim
#46 - 2013-05-08 19:37:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Innabiggahurry
The Gnosis is hands down better than any other battlecruiser. Why? NO PREREQUISITES

It is amazing no one seems to have noticed that. Show me another BC a total noob could fly
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-05-08 19:40:51 UTC
Also the bonuses are hardpacked to the hull, dont need skills for performance. Besides for modules etc.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-05-08 21:09:45 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Blaster fit (3 mag stabs, 2 drone damage, dcu II, LSE, invuln II, mwd, 3 utility mids, 3 core def extenders 5 neutrons and a ham) you can push around 1000 dps cold, around 1100 hot with 50k ehp, and get a full flight of ecm drones in addition to damage drones.

And you have 3 utility mids left over for your choice of: tackle (scram double web?), more tank, ewar (sensor damps, tracking disruptors?), sensor boosters (this one's pretty nice, the gnosis has quite a high natural scan res for a BC) or w/e.

It's a pretty sweet ship tbh.
Parabrahman
Sol Industries
#49 - 2013-05-08 22:46:06 UTC
I agree with OP. I took my Gnomis to low sec to kill some people but it died. WTF. Blizz needs to buff this. I aint going to battlegrounds with this thing again.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-05-08 23:06:38 UTC
it's a free ship....
youre lucky it has any slots at all, let alone actually be flyable.

There is no Bob.

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Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-05-09 04:57:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mavnas
Innabiggahurry wrote:
The Gnosis is hands down better than any other battlecruiser. Why? NO PREREQUISITES

It is amazing no one seems to have noticed that. Show me another BC a total noob could fly


Yes, pretty amazing how the guy with all 5s in all racial cruisers and BC 5 would fail to notice this. Oh, wait...

What I have always wanted is a ship that could passive shield tank and shoot lasers, sadly the gnosis doesn't do an adequate job of passive shield tanking without a few SPRs. Needless to say that doesn't work so well with shooting lasers.

The drone bonus seems to make its DPS decent no matter what other base weapon system you put on it, so that's good. You still can't split guns because of damage modules. I mean, I guess you could fit long and short range of the same type, but you already have good drones for killing frigs.

edit: Ok, I somewhat take this back. If you're willing to shell out a few hundred mil for deadspace mods and Purger II rigs you can break 200 tank vs. 2 types of damage with a 5 mid slot / 2 low slot tank. Not exactly amazing. I guess I need to remember how much tank you need vs. level 3 missions.
Wyte Ragnarok
#52 - 2013-05-09 08:59:08 UTC
tl;dr: because it was free.
Arrigo Glokta
#53 - 2013-05-09 14:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrigo Glokta
Alara IonStorm wrote:
stuff


There you go. Like No. 5000Big smile
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#54 - 2013-05-09 15:19:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
[Gnosis, Gnosis Surprise]

Damage Control II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Prototype ECCM Gravimetric Sensor Cluster
10MN Afterburner II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Cynosural Field Generator I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x5

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/65810-Bait-Gnosis.html

The Gnosis is one of the best small gang bait ships in the game. 109k EHP, dual web and point, eccm to withstand jamming and - most of all - a hull that everyone would love to pop without thinking much (no skills needed = every player in the game has one and can fail at fitting/flying it).

Its also a good and versatile WH ship and a cool deep space transport with an align time of 2.6s.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#55 - 2013-05-10 08:04:59 UTC
Aron Binchiette wrote:
I have been comparing the stats on different fits on the gnosis to other racial BC's and it seems that either buffer or active armor fits don't even compare to a brutix's stats, brutix has better tank, dps, and speed only thing it is lacking is range. and on the shield side a ferox has by more tank, less dps, better range, and a bit slower. I thought the Jovian were supposed to be a far more superior race? I understand that you cant make it so OP that nothing stands a chance against it but I thought CCP would make it just a little OP so more people will use them.


EVE is not only about theoretical DPS. There are many more factors which can make a ship good... even those with just a few DPS or a low tank. But the Gnosis is really nice, good DPS with good tank and a high number of low and medium slots. I really do not understand why everybody is whining about this ship. You got it for free... and if you do not like it or do not find any uses for it then...

... give it away to me!
Ginger Barbarella
#56 - 2013-05-10 17:26:45 UTC
Meditril wrote:
Aron Binchiette wrote:
I have been comparing the stats on different fits on the gnosis to other racial BC's and it seems that either buffer or active armor fits don't even compare to a brutix's stats, brutix has better tank, dps, and speed only thing it is lacking is range. and on the shield side a ferox has by more tank, less dps, better range, and a bit slower. I thought the Jovian were supposed to be a far more superior race? I understand that you cant make it so OP that nothing stands a chance against it but I thought CCP would make it just a little OP so more people will use them.


EVE is not only about theoretical DPS. There are many more factors which can make a ship good... even those with just a few DPS or a low tank. But the Gnosis is really nice, good DPS with good tank and a high number of low and medium slots. I really do not understand why everybody is whining about this ship. You got it for free... and if you do not like it or do not find any uses for it then...

... give it away to me!


This. I find it humorous how many people whine about the Gnosis, but still keep it. I've got three alts using three of mine, and I love the heck out of it. =)

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Skelee VI
Appetite 4 Destruction
#57 - 2013-05-10 17:30:39 UTC
Obviuosly y'all know nothing about ships.
Gnosis is just way to cool!
Get better resists and better dps than a hurricane easy! Faster than a brutix!
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-05-10 18:38:38 UTC
The gnosis isn't terrible. In fact it's pretty ******* powerful of a ship to give EVERYONE in the game.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Katsumoto Moliko
Players vs. EVE
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2013-05-10 21:19:49 UTC
Innabiggahurry wrote:
The Gnosis is hands down better than any other battlecruiser. Why? NO PREREQUISITES

It is amazing no one seems to have noticed that. Show me another BC a total noob could fly


Being able to sit in it =/= being able to fly it well.

It still takes a notable amount of time invested and SP in the right areas in order to really unlock its full potential. Now, that being said, I personally think it looks awesome, compounded by the fact that its Jovian and was handed out to some 40,000+ people absolutely free.

It was a fun gift from CCP, no denying that.
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-05-10 21:37:25 UTC
Innabiggahurry wrote:
The Gnosis is hands down better than any other battlecruiser. Why? NO PREREQUISITES

It is amazing no one seems to have noticed that. Show me another BC a total noob could fly



Gnosis is the best noobship ever.

It really is.