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Aren't the Jove supposed to be light years ahead of us?

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Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#21 - 2013-05-08 21:30:02 UTC
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Zakarumit CZ wrote:
People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified.


People who are bad at idioms shouldn't make statements like you just did, because other people's grasp on language might turn out to be miles ahead of their own



Huh, are you saying Zak is wrong?

A light year is a unit of distance, not time.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#22 - 2013-05-08 21:34:49 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Zakarumit CZ wrote:
People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified.


Agreed.


Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that.

"It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!"

@ Lucas

Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer!

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-05-08 21:35:56 UTC
Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Zakarumit CZ wrote:
People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified.


People who are bad at idioms shouldn't make statements like you just did, because other people's grasp on language might turn out to be miles ahead of their own



Huh, are you saying Zak is wrong?

A light year is a unit of distance, not time.


He is saying "think figuratively" rather than literally. Think of a time line as an abstraction of the passage of time. Then, figurative distance on the abstract time line, could represent literal time.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-05-08 21:37:43 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Zakarumit CZ wrote:
People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified.


Agreed.


Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that.

"It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!"

@ Lucas

Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer!


Yeah... Lucas needs to go too. If not for the misuse of parsec in Ep4, then for the Ewoks in Ep6, and the entirety of Ep1-3.

Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-05-08 21:38:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tetsuo Tsukaya
Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Zakarumit CZ wrote:
People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified.


People who are bad at idioms shouldn't make statements like you just did, because other people's grasp on language might turn out to be miles ahead of their own



Huh, are you saying Zak is wrong?

A light year is a unit of distance, not time.


Yeah, and the expression "such and such a thing is light years ahead of its competitors" is referring to distance and not time. The people who are confused are you guys who don't understand the expression in the first place.

So yeah, Zak is wrong.


EDIT: So if someone says "so and so is miles ahead in the tech race", they aren't confusing miles for units of time, they're speaking figuratively. "Light years ahead" is a more exaggerated use of the expression.

That's why I said "grasp of language is miles ahead" in my last post because I was hoping you would pick up on that (and not because I think I'm an expert in language because I'm not)
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#26 - 2013-05-08 21:41:45 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Zakarumit CZ wrote:
People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified.


People who are bad at idioms shouldn't make statements like you just did, because other people's grasp on language might turn out to be miles ahead of their own



Huh, are you saying Zak is wrong?

A light year is a unit of distance, not time.


He is saying "think figuratively" rather than literally. Think of a time line as an abstraction of the passage of time. Then, figurative distance on the abstract time line, could represent literal time.


I see what you're saying but I don't agree with it. A light year is a defined scientific measurement of distance, there is nothing figurative about it and it doesn't have anything to do with a time line.

A = A
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-05-08 21:49:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Arronicus
Light year, is a measure of distance. 'Ahead' is a relative term, for direction.

1 light year = 9.4605284 × 1015 meters

Therefore, no.

/thread.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-05-08 21:50:08 UTC  |  Edited by: LHA Tarawa
Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Zakarumit CZ wrote:
People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified.


People who are bad at idioms shouldn't make statements like you just did, because other people's grasp on language might turn out to be miles ahead of their own



Huh, are you saying Zak is wrong?

A light year is a unit of distance, not time.


He is saying "think figuratively" rather than literally. Think of a time line as an abstraction of the passage of time. Then, figurative distance on the abstract time line, could represent literal time.


I see what you're saying but I don't agree with it. A light year is a defined scientific measurement of distance, there is nothing figurative about it and it doesn't have anything to do with a time line.

A = A


And, a "time line" is a means of depicting the order of events in history, that also uses a scale that allows us to see the relative time that passed between those events.

If we set the end of the last ice age (10K BCE) as 0 on our time line, and set current day (call it 2000 CE) to be 12 inches away, then each inch would approximate 1000 years. Tings like domestication of cattle, establishment of the first code of laws, first alphabetic language, etc, could be plotted as various inches and fraction of inches along the line.

Here, the well defined unit of distance know as the "inch" is used figuratively to represent the passage of literal time.

You could then say, Faster Than Light Travel is miles beyond us, technologically (which on the scale of inch = 1000 years would be a very long time). This would be hyperbole (intentional exaggeration to make a point) to demonstrate that we are not even close to getting there.

Since it is pure hyperbole, we do not need to specifically designate a unit of time to the unit of distance on our time line, since a mile is clearly an absurd unit to be applied to any time line.

Light Years is just a further over-exaggeration to make the point that we are not even close, in figurative distance on an abstract time line, or literal passage of time on a clock, calendar, or writing of history books.
Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-05-08 21:50:58 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Zakarumit CZ wrote:
People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified.


Agreed.


Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that.

"It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!"

@ Lucas

Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer!


Do we even know what a Kessel Run is? For all we know it could be a time-challenge to do a certain something in the least distance possible.

.... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--.

Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-05-08 21:55:09 UTC
ITT Arcaus attempts a stealth nerf on using imagery in the English language
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#31 - 2013-05-08 21:56:33 UTC
No offense to the OP but I don't think that's how he was using light year.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-05-08 21:57:23 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Zakarumit CZ wrote:
People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified.


Agreed.


Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that.

"It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!"

@ Lucas

Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer!


Do we even know what a Kessel Run is? For all we know it could be a time-challenge to do a certain something in the least distance possible.



Except that is the answer to the question "Is your ship fast?"

That answer would seem to indicate a distance divided by time to indicate speed, with Kessel Run being the distance and 12 parsecs being the time.

If, the intention is that the Kessel Run is a time, and parsec is a distance, then the "less than" is an indication of slow rather than fast.

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-05-08 21:59:51 UTC
Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote:
No offense to the OP but I don't think that's how he was using light year.



Probably correct.
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#34 - 2013-05-08 22:06:01 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote:
No offense to the OP but I don't think that's how he was using light year.



Probably correct.


Creative visualization you guys came up with, but at the scale you suggested I think the Jove would probably have evolved past the need for spaceships or perhaps even a physical form.
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-05-08 22:11:18 UTC
Posting in stealth Polaris nerf thread
Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-05-08 22:14:19 UTC
So you're saying we should buff the Gnosis to a strategic cruiser with it's own subsystems and 8/8/8 in all slots no matter what?

.... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--.

Bl4ck Ph03n1x
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-05-08 22:38:26 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Zakarumit CZ wrote:
People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified.


Agreed.


Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that.

"It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!"

@ Lucas

Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer!


In the star wars universe, ships cannot go through stars and planets.
They must calculate trajectory that avoid them.

What makes Han Solo an awesome pilot is not an insane speed.
It's his hability to calculate an insanely short path. That's how he beats bigger, faster ships.

To take an analogy, it's like when you make a trip in 20 carrier jumps, and solo can do it in 12 jumps.

Don't feed the trolls.

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#38 - 2013-05-08 22:47:34 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Zakarumit CZ wrote:
People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified.


Agreed.


Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that.

"It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!"

@ Lucas

Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer!


Do we even know what a Kessel Run is? For all we know it could be a time-challenge to do a certain something in the least distance possible.



Except that is the answer to the question "Is your ship fast?"

That answer would seem to indicate a distance divided by time to indicate speed, with Kessel Run being the distance and 12 parsecs being the time.

If, the intention is that the Kessel Run is a time, and parsec is a distance, then the "less than" is an indication of slow rather than fast.



[geek on]
In the expanded universe fiction, it's explained that the Kessel run involves going close to a cluster of black holes. If your ship isn't fast enough, if you shave the distance too much, you'll be sucked into one and destroyed.
[/geek off]

Yes, it's BS, used to cover up a mistake by a sci-fi writer in a fairly popular film. Blink

Woo! CSM XI!

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Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-05-08 22:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Robus Muvila
The way I see it, considering the Jovian Empire's isolationist mindset. All they've shared are literally their left over ****** stuff. The Gnosis is literally the equivalent of a ****** 1950's european car and we should be greatful we're even getting that!

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Velarra
#40 - 2013-05-08 23:02:56 UTC
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